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Post by Fig on Sept 27, 2012 22:00:45 GMT -8
That is a terrible analogy and you should feel terrible for making it.
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Post by Rusty on Sept 27, 2012 22:04:24 GMT -8
[insert zoidberg]
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Post by wonk on Sept 27, 2012 22:12:38 GMT -8
That is a terrible analogy and you should feel terrible for making it. Fair opinion, but you'll have to explain why you feel this, otherwise I'll stand by my analogy, and I don't feel terrible at all. I've written about 50 paragraphs explaining how ridiculous it is that most of the population see the regular refs as "perfect" and the replacements as "the worst thing to ever happen to the sport." I merely made an analogy that refs in general are terrible, which everyone so quickly dismissed. COME AT ME BRO? |
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Post by Rusty on Sept 27, 2012 22:22:30 GMT -8
Ref's are not terrible in general. The job of reffing in general is impossible to accomplish. Unless you can build a computer to call the game, mistakes will happen in any sport, replacement or not. Players make mistakes all the time, why shouldn't that be the same for the Refs. No human is perfect, replacement or not. And everything always looks so clear in slow motion.
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Post by Shaxspear III Esq. on Sept 27, 2012 22:46:00 GMT -8
Nobody ever said the regulars were perfect. But they're a hell of a lot better than the replacements.
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Post by Drew on Sept 28, 2012 8:35:26 GMT -8
Nobody ever said the regulars were perfect. But they're a hell of a lot better than the replacements. Yep. Wonk had convinced me of his argument until last night's game. I watched probably 6-8 games with replacement officials, and I regularly saw calls that I thought were horrible. But I thought it was because I was so focused on the officiating, and that I must have always felt this way but didn't bother to remember. But watching last night's game...nope. It was just better officiated, control was established, calls were timely, the right calls were usually made and the refs KNEW THE RULES. It was night and day. Remember, these replacements were refs who couldn't get D1 college jobs, or CFL jobs, or in some cases Lingerie League jobs. They were actually just way less experienced and not as good as hundreds of other football referees in the country, just way more available. I think this is a case where the ESPN hyperbole was pretty much spot on - the replacements sucked ass, and the new refs are 2000% better. |
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Post by wonk on Sept 28, 2012 9:54:27 GMT -8
Nobody ever said the regulars were perfect. But they're a hell of a lot better than the replacements. Yep. Wonk had convinced me of his argument until last night's game. You actually read all of that? <3 |
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Post by Fig on Sept 28, 2012 17:50:03 GMT -8
Wonk I would so arm wrestle you right now.
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Post by wonk on Sept 28, 2012 18:13:31 GMT -8
Wonk I would so arm wrestle you right now. Okay, I'm sorry I made a joke about STDs. I apologize to you and anyone else whose lives have been negatively affected by syphilis and gonorrhea. |
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Post by Fig on Sept 30, 2012 15:36:16 GMT -8
In b4 wonk comments on the GB/NO game.
The one true bad call that I saw was the fumble, which would have easily been reversed if GB had not have wasted both of their challenges on stupid shit.
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Post by Shaxspear III Esq. on Sept 30, 2012 15:56:17 GMT -8
The Graham catch for a first down that was reviewed and still upheld was iffy as well.
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Post by Fig on Sept 30, 2012 16:01:35 GMT -8
Must have missed that one....does this mean we all have gonorrhea AND syphilis?
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Post by Rusty on Sept 30, 2012 18:12:06 GMT -8
Yeah, that call was bull shit, also the clear fumble that they called down by contact in that game.
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Post by wonk on Sept 30, 2012 19:43:30 GMT -8
In b4 wonk comments on the GB/NO game. I've been away today, and just finished the A's game (holy shit), so I'm just starting the NO/GB game. I just watched an obvious offensive pass interference (Colston) go uncalled for the first Saints TD of the game. I'm not one to say I told you so, but it's at least fair we scrutinize the regulars as much as we scrutinized the replacements, because part of my point was that people forget regular refs also suck (even if they suck less). That's why I said: Be fair now all of youz critical of replacements. |
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Post by wonk on Sept 30, 2012 20:11:43 GMT -8
The Graham catch for a first down that was reviewed and still upheld was iffy as well. Yeah, that was really bad. I'm watching most of the game in fast forward so I can finish the Eagles game before midnight, so I'm not doing a great job of critiquing the refs play by play, but that was horrible. |
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Post by Shaxspear III Esq. on Sept 30, 2012 20:58:13 GMT -8
Yeah I watched the whole game. Everything we called out were the bad ones. Forgot about that Colston push off in the end zone. Refs had a hard on for Green Bay today.
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Post by wonk on Sept 30, 2012 21:37:00 GMT -8
The one true bad call that I saw was the fumble, which would have easily been reversed if GB had not have wasted both of their challenges on stupid shit. Sure they missed the fumble. Refs miss calls. Before that happened, I kept thinking, "one thing the regulars have on the replacements is they are not afraid to push players around in a scrum, but damn, they are going to get hurt in there." Sure enough, a couple minutes later, that fumble happened, and the hat-less ref who spent a couple seconds screaming at Clay Matthews said, "Call on the field stands." The problem with that play is that the refs never made a call on who recovered it. It was almost like the head ref decided, "we don't know who recovered it, and some GB fuck just knocked my hat off, so the call on the field stands." Even if GB had a challenge, how do you challenge a play without a clear recovery? I had the same anxiety watching every play after that fumble as I did watching the replacements when they lost control of the game on a questionable call. Every call or non-call over the next five minutes was questionable (there was a fight the next play with Woodsen, and two plays later a LB leveled Sproles like he was blocking him, even though Sproles was the intended receiver, no call). Don't worry guys, I'm not going to spend the next ten weeks calling out every bad call a ref makes. It's lame, and I think the better team usually wins, regardless of the refs. I was just chaffed about what I've spent three weeks explaining, and it's not me "hating the refs." |
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Post by wonk on Sept 30, 2012 22:49:13 GMT -8
At least the biggest idiot from the conclusion of the Eagles game was Chris Collinsworth. That guy is like a 70 year-old with dementia who thinks he understands football better than everyone because he has two memories of playing the sport.
EDIT: Maybe Vick is a bigger idiot for basically saying his coach is an idiot for icing the kicker.
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Post by Fig on Sept 30, 2012 23:15:24 GMT -8
Well we have reached a truce it would appear; fuck Chris Collinsworth.
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Post by Cbats on Oct 1, 2012 5:07:53 GMT -8
The problem with that play is that the refs never made a call on who recovered it. It was almost like the head ref decided, "we don't know who recovered it, and some GB fuck just knocked my hat off, so the call on the field stands." Even if GB had a challenge, how do you challenge a play without a clear recovery? I'm not sure that this was a mistake though. If the call on the field is the runner is down, why would you say "in the alternative, GB grabbed the ball." Don't get me wrong, it was a botched call but I just don't think there was anything they could do once they made the initial mistake. |
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