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Post by wonk on Sept 24, 2012 22:00:12 GMT -8
I missed the Patriots v. Ravens game as well. I just saw Belichick bitching about how the refs called 30 penalties. I just checked, it was 24, 14 were against the Ravens. The Ravens also had 100+ yards over the Pats.
Obviously I didn't see the "questionable" calls, but it sounds like Belichick is complaining that a kicker might have almost missed a 20 yard FG, which kickers make 99% of the time. Bill, you're lucky the ball didn't split the uprights.
I should make a sexist joke about his last name, but I won't.
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Post by Shaxspear III Esq. on Sept 24, 2012 22:11:34 GMT -8
Of course everyone is going to blame the NFL. It's a multi-billion dollar revenue machine and what the refs want is a drop in the bucket. Is it fair that the refs want more? Do they deserve more? FUCK NO. But games are becoming a farse right now and the regular refs are probably laughing their asses off to the bank because they're getting more leverage with every single game.
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Post by Shaxspear III Esq. on Sept 24, 2012 22:14:48 GMT -8
And...... LULZ "The Lingerie Football League Announces That It Fired “A Couple Crews Which Apparently Are Now Officiating In The NFL” Because Of Incompetence" deadspin.com/5946112/ |
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Post by Fig on Sept 24, 2012 23:42:54 GMT -8
Best headline in regards to the game goes to Fark.com;
Wisconsin learns why unions are important
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Post by stamper on Sept 25, 2012 10:09:01 GMT -8
Yes the regular refs make questionable calls, but the frequency and how bad some of these calls are WAAAAAAAAAAY worse than the regular refs. So replacements are worse than regulars. Good point. We all agree. Who is at fault? I totally agree that the overall blame should lie on the league refs for thinking they were bigger than the game. While the replacements have struggled, I also feel they are being unfairly put under a very large microscope by many people in the media, as well as the coaches & the players - and any mistake they make, no matter the size, will be blown completely out of proportion. It's basically no-win scenario for the replacements. The league refs acted like assholes and the replacements now have to deal with the fallout. - and that's sad. |
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Post by wonk on Sept 25, 2012 20:33:11 GMT -8
So replacements are worse than regulars. Good point. We all agree. Who is at fault? I totally agree that the overall blame should lie on the league refs for thinking they were bigger than the game. While the replacements have struggled, I also feel they are being unfairly put under a very large microscope by many people in the media, as well as the coaches & the players - and any mistake they make, no matter the size, will be blown completely out of proportion. It's basically no-win scenario for the replacements. The league refs acted like assholes and the replacements now have to deal with the fallout. - and that's sad. I could have saved myself about 30 paragraphs by just writing that. Does anyone who follows the negotiations (or lack there of) know the deal with retirement benefits? I thought that was the deciding factor of the lockout, the refs never got retirement benefits, but wanted them. My friend swears the refs always had retirement benefits, and the league is trying to take them away. He also smokes a ton of weed, and rarely has any idea of what he's talking about, but I don't feel like doing anymore research on the differences between what the NFL is offering, and what the refs are demanding. I do know the NFL offered the refs a comparable increase in salary they offered the minimum wage NFL players, and I still think the NFL refs are fucks for demanding anything, but maybe I'll be a bit less opinionated if anyone can settle this discrepancy. EDIT: I did some more research, and I see the NFL is trying to replace the referee pension with a 401K plan, which is basically replacing the guaranteed income for retirement with an plan designed to invest what they are already earning. I'm not an expert on retirement, but this doesn't seem too far fetched for referees making six figures for part-time work. Referees can make more than their current pension if they control their 401K like us regular folk, and it should be more lucrative. The regulars are already grandfathered on their pension, so it doesn't affect any of them. The real issue appears to be the NFL is trying to hire more referees, so they can choose the best based on performance. If you suck (which many do), the NFL will choose to give work to the refs who suck less. Then your 401K isn't as lucrative because you are a terrible ref getting less work. Sounds like a good plan moving forward, which is obviously why the regular refs are balking at the proposal. They want their money regardless of their worth. Again, fuck them. |
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Post by Drew on Sept 26, 2012 14:32:20 GMT -8
Yeah the NFL wants backup crews and the refs don't want that, and that seems like another sticking point.
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Post by Shaxspear III Esq. on Sept 26, 2012 20:40:08 GMT -8
Refs are back!!!
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Post by wonk on Sept 26, 2012 21:30:56 GMT -8
Shit. Be fair now all of youz critical of replacements. |
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Post by Rusty on Sept 26, 2012 21:43:12 GMT -8
As soon as I saw the final play in the Packers-Seahawks game, I knew they would be back this week ( or real soon). It's one thing when diehard fans see missed calls and be unhappy about it, but when people who have never watched a game, bring up the replacement refs ruining the game ( i.e my mom), the leverage of the Ref's union skyrockets. The league had to cut their losses on this one.
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Post by Fig on Sept 27, 2012 19:45:48 GMT -8
Look at that, a game that was ref'ed to a T AND highly entertaining.
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Post by Pea on Sept 27, 2012 19:48:01 GMT -8
What channel was that game on?? I couldn't find it anywhere.
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Post by Shaxspear III Esq. on Sept 27, 2012 19:52:51 GMT -8
Send me a msg on facebook and I'll tell you a website that streams anything and everything sports related.
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Post by Pea on Sept 27, 2012 19:59:02 GMT -8
I already know which one you're going to send me. I use it all the time haha. I just didn't feel like moving from my couch to get it up and running on my computer. Thanks though dude!
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Post by Rusty on Sept 27, 2012 20:04:56 GMT -8
The Thursday games are the NFL network games, in Canada Sportsnet picks them up, I'm not sure about down there.
Can you send me that sports link if you don't mind Shaxxy.
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Post by wonk on Sept 27, 2012 20:52:25 GMT -8
Look at that, a game that was ref'ed to a T AND highly entertaining. Says the guy whose team won, the same guy who bitched about the replacements when his team lost. EDIT: I didn't watch the game, but if you tell me it was perfectly officiated, I will likely call BS. |
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Post by Fig on Sept 27, 2012 21:02:04 GMT -8
I bitched about the replacements when my team won as well lol.
The refs came into the stadium to a standing ovation, threw a flag every time a scuffle broke out, made the right calls on the flags that they did throw, and let the teams play with the game well under their control.
18 total penalties, 11 of them were on Baltimore, including one (which was properly called) on the Brown's 4th down hail mary attempt with :02 and gave them an extra shot at evening up the score.
COME AT ME BRO.
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Post by Rusty on Sept 27, 2012 21:02:22 GMT -8
I understand the point you're trying to make Wonk, but it was truly a lot better. No matter who is officiating, mistakes will be made, but it was like night a day difference watching this game. It's not so much the missed calls, rather just the overall pace/control of the game.
Edit: fig beat me to it, and did a better job haha.
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Post by wonk on Sept 27, 2012 21:28:02 GMT -8
Some of you (and 90% of the population) who have loudly voiced your opinion are basically rooting for syphilis because it isn't gonorrhea.
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Post by Rusty on Sept 27, 2012 21:55:00 GMT -8
Welcome to the world wonk.
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