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Post by wonk on Oct 10, 2012 20:14:18 GMT -8
I wouldn't argue with a single thing you said. What I would add though is that it does bug me that a lot of white middle class kids are connecting with it and feel the need to say things like "it's just nice to have a rapper that addresses real issues!" I don't mean to dismiss the fact that his music resonates with their experiences but I get really annoyed that they completely discredit other rappers because of this. I understand that a white middle class kid from Ballard isn't ever going to relate to Tupac or Kendrick Lamar the same way that a kid from Compton can but I don't appreciate that they feel the need to denigrate their experiences as "not being real". I think it's fair to say we are two of the biggest rap fans on this board, and we seek out all types of hip hop, and we are also white middle class kids. How many white middle class kids really like rap? That is part of your distaste, and I agree. Should white middle class kids branch out in their hip hop listenings, sure, but how many actually do? Macklemore hitting home with the white middle class is what makes his potential so giant. What if you're gay, or don't beat people up, or don't glorify drugs, or don't objectify women, who should you relate to? That amazing lyricist who glorifies violence, or the guy who says it's okay to be corny, gay, or emotional? It's a similar argument to why radio rock fans don't branch out beyond what all their friends are listening to. In general, all of us here branch out on many levels, and it's why we have a lesser opinion of the uninformed. It's annoying if they only like Macklemore because they think he speaks to their tribulations, but a lot of them are uninformed to begin with. We don't need to beat that horse anymore. |
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Post by Pea on Oct 10, 2012 20:23:55 GMT -8
Still my favorite rapper ever:
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Post by StormyPinkness on Oct 10, 2012 20:43:17 GMT -8
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Post by Horned Gramma on Oct 10, 2012 20:46:23 GMT -8
Hip hop is as much image as talent. While most artists try to portray themselves as "hard," Macklemore is basically portraying himself as soft. He raps about feelings, and substance abuse, and sobriety, and gay rights, and all sorts of things anti hip hop. He portrays a sense of vulnarability, which is bad word in the industry. Plus, isn't he like really hot? I've never seen so many females at a concert. So basically he's become what Kid Cudi was about to become right before Kid Cudi freaked the fuck out on liquid cocaine and beat down his girlfriend's door. Success. We have isolated exactly what it is about Macklemore that I don't like. |
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Post by Horned Gramma on Oct 10, 2012 21:17:23 GMT -8
That was probably Subtle, which is even sweeter than Themselves. Correct. Also, the nut jocking of Death Grips is getting a tad bit out of control around here. Death Grips is seriously one of the most unique and exciting new acts I've heard in the last five years, at least. They can jock my nuts all the way to the bank. |
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Post by Cbats on Oct 10, 2012 21:17:59 GMT -8
I wouldn't argue with a single thing you said. What I would add though is that it does bug me that a lot of white middle class kids are connecting with it and feel the need to say things like "it's just nice to have a rapper that addresses real issues!" I don't mean to dismiss the fact that his music resonates with their experiences but I get really annoyed that they completely discredit other rappers because of this. I understand that a white middle class kid from Ballard isn't ever going to relate to Tupac or Kendrick Lamar the same way that a kid from Compton can but I don't appreciate that they feel the need to denigrate their experiences as "not being real". I think it's fair to say we are two of the biggest rap fans on this board, and we seek out all types of hip hop, and we are also white middle class kids. How many white middle class kids really like rap? That is part of your distaste, and I agree. Should white middle class kids branch out in their hip hop listenings, sure, but how many actually do? Macklemore hitting home with the white middle class is what makes his potential so giant. What if you're gay, or don't beat people up, or don't glorify drugs, or don't objectify women, who should you relate to? That amazing lyricist who glorifies violence, or the guy who says it's okay to be corny, gay, or emotional? It's a similar argument to why radio rock fans don't branch out beyond what all their friends are listening to. In general, all of us here branch out on many levels, and it's why we have a lesser opinion of the uninformed. It's annoying if they only like Macklemore because they think he speaks to their tribulations, but a lot of them are uninformed to begin with. We don't need to beat that horse anymore. Yep, I agree with everything here. I will say that I think it's awesome that Macklemore has guest spots from Schoolboy Q and Ab-Soul (although I could do without Buffalo Madonna and Allen Stone...). Hopefully some of the people that love Macklemore check out Black Hippy because of the cd. |
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Post by Horned Gramma on Oct 10, 2012 21:18:05 GMT -8
And they certainly aren't jocking any more nuts than the band that is #1 on RateMyBoobtunes.net or whatever.
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Post by Horned Gramma on Oct 10, 2012 21:18:52 GMT -8
Also this board needs moar cbats.
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Post by Dr. Crane on Oct 10, 2012 21:44:09 GMT -8
Death Grips is seriously one of the most unique and exciting new acts I've heard in the last five years, at least. They can jock my nuts all the way to the Money Store. Fixed. |
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Post by Drew on Oct 11, 2012 14:45:26 GMT -8
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Post by Drew on Oct 15, 2012 21:29:48 GMT -8
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Post by Dr. Crane on Oct 16, 2012 4:16:54 GMT -8
Mark fucking Morgan.
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Post by Cbats on Oct 16, 2012 11:08:54 GMT -8
Weingarten is fucking terrible but I think this list was a great idea. People would have been a lot less pissed off if they had titled it 100 best alternative guitarists instead but it was nice to see write ups about people that wouldn't get recognition otherwise. |
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Post by Dr. Crane on Oct 16, 2012 11:55:12 GMT -8
Like Mark fucking Morgan.
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Post by Horned Gramma on Oct 16, 2012 15:06:54 GMT -8
Fucking Spin magazine.
Here's all you need to know about Spin: couple years ago, maybe eight or nine, they did a list of the '100 Most Influential Albums You've Never Heard' or something. I was delighted to see the Residents make the list with 1973's The Third Reich n' Roll, but then when I read the little blurb about the album it cited the Rz' cover of the Rolling Stones' 'Satisfaction' as a highlight, saying that it pre-dates and out-weirds Devo's cover of the same song.
The problem with this is that 'Satisfaction' isn't on Third Reich n' Roll. Someone over at Spin was like, welp, better throw some fuckin' Residents in there; they settled on 3RnR apparently without ever even listening to the fucking thing.
Not that anyone was, but I wouldn't put too much stock in their stupid little lists.
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Post by Dr. Crane on Oct 16, 2012 15:16:19 GMT -8
Dude. I was ready to invest all my marbles.
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Post by Cbats on Oct 17, 2012 8:26:04 GMT -8
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Post by wompwomp on Oct 23, 2012 9:02:22 GMT -8
Whoa...I thought people were kind of exaggerating when talking about how awful Axl has gotten. I was contemplating seeing them when I'm in Vegas next month....
They weren't lying. Holy cow.
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Post by stamper on Oct 23, 2012 12:11:47 GMT -8
Wow. Hmm... Bigger 80s heart-throb/ current day heart-slob: Axl Rose or Val Kilmer?
Discuss...
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Post by Pea on Oct 23, 2012 13:24:30 GMT -8
Is that the real audio on that video? It sounds like a well executed "GnR Shreds!" video.
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