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Post by thehumanspider on Apr 19, 2012 17:29:26 GMT -8
I think Shanahan dropped the ball when Weber got away with turnbuckling Zetterberg.
To a certain extent I say let the players police themselves but everything should have a limit.
Raffi Torres attempting to jump through Hossa when he the puck was clearly gone = Bad
Henrik Sedin bloodying up Brown's nose for giving it to Daniel = Good
Guys are so much bigger and faster than they used to be and their equipment makes them feel like they are invincible out there. Shrink down the size of the shoulder pads a bit and I think some of the big shoulder to head hits start to disappear.
At the very least make an example of the next player to do something really stupid (star or not).
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Post by alex on Apr 19, 2012 17:50:52 GMT -8
Henrik's elbow on Brown while he was down on his knees (and already bloody from a puck or a stick I think) was downright disgraceful. There is no place for that kind of bullshit in the NHL.
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Post by davers on Apr 19, 2012 19:02:31 GMT -8
Disgraceful or not, it was one of the first time in the series where the Canucks showed any emotion at all. The Canucks are shit at standing up for themselves anyway. Someone spears Lou? Lets hug the guy and maybe say some things. Brown takes a run at Hank? No problem, Kevin is on the case! He goes and grabs him and they half heartedly wrestle for 30 seconds.
Even if it was about 3 days late, and a cheap shot, I'm happy someone did something. All the better it was Hank. And for the record, Brown's nose was bloody from the puck hitting him earlier, not from the hit.
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Post by wonk on Apr 19, 2012 19:34:21 GMT -8
Disgraceful or not, it was one of the first time in the series where the Canucks showed any emotion at all. The Canucks are shit at standing up for themselves anyway. Someone spears Lou? Lets hug the guy and maybe say some things. Brown takes a run at Hank? No problem, Kevin is on the case! He goes and grabs him and they half heartedly wrestle for 30 seconds. Even if it was about 3 days late, and a cheap shot, I'm happy someone did something. All the better it was Hank. And for the record, Brown's nose was bloody from the puck hitting him earlier, not from the hit. Much more entertaining post when "Canucks = Canadians." |
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Post by davers on Apr 19, 2012 19:49:10 GMT -8
You do realize that canuck is slang for a Canadian person, right? You don't even have to change it, just forget that I'm talking about hockey.
You used to troll funny, now you just seem hell bent on getting a rise out of someone without the funny.
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Post by wonk on Apr 19, 2012 20:29:53 GMT -8
You do realize that canuck is slang for a Canadian person, right? You don't even have to change it, just forget that I'm talking about hockey. You used to troll funny, now you just seem hell bent on getting a rise out of someone without the funny. The fuck has gotten into you? I say a friend said the Canucks are soft, and you reply, "THE CANUCKS AREN'T EVEN CANADIAN, THEY ARE AMERICAN, DON'T YOU KNOW THIS?" Then to combat a joke I made, you point out, "A CANUCK IS A CANADIAN, DON'T YOU KNOW THIS?" Sorry your team isn't doing well, but losing your sense of humor and calling me a troll isn't gaining you style points. |
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Post by davers on Apr 19, 2012 20:41:58 GMT -8
You used to be funny, now, not so much. You used to call me (and everyone else) on the dumb shit that was said, and it was funny. Sometimes people got mad, it was funny. Maybe it's because you don't come around here much anymore.
Anyway, carry on. You going to hang around for more than a few days this time? I used to like your posts.
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Post by wonk on Apr 19, 2012 21:01:56 GMT -8
You used to be funny, now, not so much. You used to call me (and everyone else) on the dumb shit that was said, and it was funny. Sometimes people got mad, it was funny. Maybe it's because you don't come around here much anymore. Anyway, carry on. You going to hang around for more than a few days this time? I used to like your posts. I never stopped being funny. You are correct, I used to call people out on the dumb shit they said. Then a small collective of regulars decided this was no longer acceptable, and the campaign to label me a troll began. And no, I won't be around much anymore. I'm having a tough time re-adjusting to work life since the Coachella vacation, so I've been latching onto the internet the last couple days. |
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Post by davers on Apr 19, 2012 21:07:04 GMT -8
And no, I won't be around much anymore. I'm having a tough time re-adjusting to work life since the Coachella vacation, so I've been latching onto the internet the last couple days. Bummer. Well, good luck getting back into the real world. I hear it's scary out there. |
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Post by Rusty on Apr 21, 2012 13:22:28 GMT -8
Holy shit 25 games for Torres. That is pretty crazy. I haven't made up my mind how I feel about it yet.
Still not sure how I feel...please note:
Exibit A--Marty Mcsorely baseball swing to the head of Don Brashear, from behind, was 23 games.
Exhibit B-Todd Burtuzzi mauling Steve Moore for no apparant reason, from behind, was 20 games.
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Post by davers on Apr 21, 2012 14:21:02 GMT -8
The easy answer is that they are more harsh on these types of hits now. The answer everyone likes to deny is that Hossa is a star player and Torres is a goon, so he gets more for that.
The hit didn't looks that bad to me; in fact, the announcer said it was as clean of hit as you will see, which is bull shit. He didn't take much of a run at Hossa, he turned around someone before the hit, so it isn't like Torres made a charge from half way across the ice. He did leave his feet, but he lead with the shoulder and not an elbow.
25 games is excessive for that and it has way more to do with the players involved and the end result (Hossa is out and may miss the rest of the playoffs) than the actual hit. It's somewhat of a lame way to do things because if the hit was reversed and Torres got right back up again there is no way Hossa would get 25 games for the same hit.
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Post by Rusty on Apr 21, 2012 14:33:13 GMT -8
My main point is that almost every point Brendan Shanahan (sp) mentioned is bullshit. Did he leave his feet: yes he left his feet, but it was one of the things you could not see clearly until you did slo-mo .
Was it interference: Everyone says yes, I say no. He had the puck literally half a second before, how could Raffi Torres avoid hitting him. I mean he probably could have, but damn, it wasn't that bad.
Was it a hit to the head: 100% no in my opinion. His head hit the ice, but it's not like he crosschecked him in the face or elbowed him, like some of the recent dangerous hits this playoffs.
I think it was because he has been suspended/fined before ( again some were really questionable), and because it was Hossa. Is it just me, or am I the only one that thinks taking the players injury into account is kid of lame? I don't think player injury should play a role what so ever. That is just adding to many variables.
I do not think Raffi Torres should have made that hit. I also think that he should be suspended. I do not think he deserves 25 games, which will pretty much end his career.
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Post by wompwomp on Apr 21, 2012 15:21:24 GMT -8
I'm happy with the suspension. Fuck that guy. Torres is a skid mark and has no business in the league. Repeat offenders should have the fucking book thrown at them. Every punishment before this hasn't been a deterrent for Torres, so maybe this will.
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Post by Rusty on Apr 21, 2012 21:31:06 GMT -8
I'm happy with the suspension. Fuck that guy. Torres is a skid mark and has no business in the league. Repeat offenders should have the fucking book thrown at them. Every punishment before this hasn't been a deterrent for Torres, so maybe this will. I'm not saying I disagree with the suspension; Torres is clearly a dirty headhunter, and it was for that reason alone that he was given a suspension. If that had been basically any other player, I have serious doubts there would have been any disciplinary action. I strongly disagree with the way the league, Brendan Shanahan and the officials handle things. One player cross checks someone is the face, or a flagrant intent to injure elbow is thrown and the response is nothing, not even a penalty. Then someone does a light slash and get a penalty. They are focusing on the so called 'goons', when the speed of the game is so fast that a player cannot even change his mind about making a hit if he wanted to. Lets not even get started on the fact that they have zero issues with changing the size of a goalies pads, but refuse to see the link between new age concrete shoulder pads and head injuries. |
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Post by Fig on Apr 21, 2012 23:10:03 GMT -8
That's an interesting argument...less pads = less head injuries....one I hadn't considered. Good point my man.
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Post by Rusty on Apr 21, 2012 23:51:11 GMT -8
That's an interesting argument...less pads = less head injuries....one I hadn't considered. Good point my man. I would never steal credit where it is due. This is a fairly wide spread idea, i think Don Cherry might have suggested it at one point. I think it is a totally viable option. The NHL brass has decided it is the players that are responsible for the recent influx of concussions, because you know that players these days are just dirty, mean human beings. NOPE. I think that the players who play today are actually less dirty than the players of the past. I think that the NHL has increased the speed of the game, through losing the red-line and encouraging the 3 line pass, to a point where no player has the time to react. EVERYTHING looks dirty in slow motion, thing is... these players are playing at full speed. The decrease in the ridiculously hard, gladiator style equipment would help the situation exponentially and many people have proclaimed this for years. Suspending a player for bad, dirty hits like the one Torres applied have the exact same effect that sending a person to prison for a small drug related offense have --zero. They need to rehabilitate these players. Torres was once a gifted offensive player(check his junior, AHL and first few years in the NHL stats), and now he is just a goon with a suspension. What good is that going to do? |
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Post by Rusty on Apr 21, 2012 23:53:03 GMT -8
/End Rant...I think
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Post by Fig on Apr 22, 2012 1:11:59 GMT -8
Just was reminded of how little I know of hockey. I FEEL LIKE I'M IN THE OBTUSE BAND THREAD HALP POLICE!
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Post by thehumanspider on Apr 22, 2012 12:27:32 GMT -8
I don't think Torres should have gotten 25 games. 10-15 tops. Shanny is going into overkill because he was too soft at the beginning.
At the same time, Torres has a history of these kinds of hits and maybe this suspension will get him to stop laying people out like that.
Don't forget that he can always appeal the ruling.
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Post by davers on Apr 22, 2012 12:49:04 GMT -8
Totally agree with the padding rant. They do a great job of making sure you could shoot the guy in the shoulder with a .22 but also do a great job of breaking faces when they come in contact with players shoulders. They need to add some padding on the outside to protect the other players.
In other news, Pens are out, Sens are up 3-2 and the Bruins look to fend off elimination. Could make for some interesting matchups. The Sens could end up playing the Panthers, which would be a good matchup for them.
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