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Post by know ID yuh on Apr 20, 2011 13:04:41 GMT -8
Have you guys ever listened to the Foo Fighters. Check out the album, Greatest Hits. It's the best album to come out in all of 2009. It's a cohesive piece of art that will ensure you won't be deleting songs.
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Post by Catherine Sun Chips on Apr 20, 2011 13:09:04 GMT -8
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Post by StormyPinkness on Apr 20, 2011 13:10:40 GMT -8
Oh Gunther, never leave us again.
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Post by Horned Gramma on Apr 20, 2011 14:13:25 GMT -8
HG I might of asked you this before, but do you have a last.fm? Nah, I don't. I think you've explained the virtues of last.fm to me before, but I don't see the point of it.
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Post by Geoff on Apr 20, 2011 14:21:00 GMT -8
HG I might of asked you this before, but do you have a last.fm? Nah, I don't. I think you've explained the virtues of last.fm to me before, but I don't see the point of it. Well it's just a large community of people who like music, so I thought you might of been a part of it. Plus the fact that it tracks all your music plays is cool.
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Post by davers on Apr 20, 2011 14:26:01 GMT -8
I love how my one sarcastic comment about killing the park guy has made me the violent person on the board. Seriously, I love it. Especially since I havent been in a fight since high school it makes me laugh every time I see a reference to my murderous ways. OK, my stance is this (I'll try to keep this short). Just because you havent listened to a band for 10+ hours doesnt mean that you dont get to pass judgment on them. I dont need to listen to Nickelback, WKD or the Millionaires for 10 hours to tell you they arent my thing. (Aside: who remembers the Millionaires for the brief stint of popularity they had on youtube? If you havent, look them up, possibly the worst music since rebecca black, even though that was only a month ago) At the same time, listening to 3 tracks once each is not a good enough sample of the band to write them off (as far as I am concerned). You seem to like a lot of complex growing type music. That's cool, I like that stuff to. There are lots of albums and bands I didnt really like at first but now love. I guess the main difference between you and I is that I need SOMETHING to make me try again. If absolutely nothing peaks my interest in everything I have listened to by a band, and no one is telling me they are awesome and will grow on me, I move on. You seem intent on trying to get to like a band no matter what, and kudos for that, but I dont have that kind of patience. And for the record I think this: 1. Browse the most viewed tracks of band on youtube/myspace until I get a sense of what the bands style is 2. If I like a few tracks, I'll download the highest rated/most popular album on rate your music 3. Delete the songs I dont like, songs I love go into my current listening to playlist 4. If I still like the band, Download all other albums, repeat steps 3 + 4 is retarted. An album is more than just the songs that make them up. Obviously concept albums should NEVER have tracks cut from them and even albums that are more of just a collection songs should still stay together. At the same time I am not opposed to making a mix CD for a trip or throwing my ipod on shuffle.
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Post by Rusty on Apr 20, 2011 14:27:07 GMT -8
Does Last.fm cost money, I think I tried to sign up a few years back and it wanted me to pay.
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Post by Geoff on Apr 20, 2011 14:31:42 GMT -8
Does Last.fm cost money, I think I tried to sign up a few years back and it wanted me to pay. It's free, but there's a subscription based service that gives you a little more extra features that aren't anything too great. It's mainly there so people can support the site.
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Post by davers on Apr 20, 2011 14:32:04 GMT -8
Also, I do love a good cheesy pop song every now and then. I'm not talking britney spears or anything, but something with easy to sing along to lyrics and a catchy beat isnt always a bad thing in my books. I fully admit to having ed sharp and MGMT in my musical rotation sometimes.
OK, I'm out for the day, its 4/20, work is almost done, have a good one everybody.
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Post by Horned Gramma on Apr 20, 2011 15:07:30 GMT -8
last.fm wouldn't be able to track what I listen to very successfully because I hardly ever play music through my computer. I run tunes off my iPod and through the turntable, and usually I catalog my playlists pretty obsessively in the Now Playing thread.
Davers it is possible that you were taking the comments I was directing at whatever that other guy's name is as being aimed at you. I don't think there's anything wrong with your approach; if you know you don't like something, you know you don't like it. As long as you aren't basing your opinion of a band on one track that you listened to through tinny laptop speakers on Youtube, as long as you're giving yourself what feels like a reasonable amount of time to respond to something, I can't see any problem with that.
Yeah, I like really complex music but I also love dumb pop music. I agree that MGMT is pretty great, even if Edward Nutsack and the Magnetic Nutsacks is among the most astonishingly awful music I've heard in the last five years (like, Dashboard Confessional bad. like, Polyphonic Spree bad. bad, bad bad. bad.) I don't take issue with any KIND of music (except dubstep. and "chillwave".), but here I will trot out once more one of my favorite quotes from Mr. Burns:
"I don't know art, but I know what I hate. And I don't hate this.
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Post by Geoff on Apr 20, 2011 15:16:03 GMT -8
last.fm wouldn't be able to track what I listen to very successfully because I hardly ever play music through my computer. I run tunes off my iPod and through the turntable, and usually I catalog my playlists pretty obsessively in the Now Playing thread. It also tracks what you play on your iPod.
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Post by Horned Gramma on Apr 20, 2011 15:23:24 GMT -8
Only if I ever interface my iPod with my computer which, sadly, I can't do.
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Post by Friendly Destroyer on Apr 20, 2011 16:17:05 GMT -8
The Millionairs are awesome and I want to marry all of them. They are everything that is right in this world.
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Post by J-Dawg on Apr 20, 2011 18:10:50 GMT -8
For better or worse I think the posturing and condescension are an important part of how I present my arguments. Maybe that undermines what I am trying to say sometimes, but especially as an invisible internet man being larger than life at least causes people to really engage with the conversation instead of just glossing ober it and dismissing it. Speaking for myself, posturing and condescension will cause me to react exactly the opposite to what you are expecting here. I will disengage immediately and write off the argument as a giant waste of my time. Interestingly, you don't always use posturing and condescension. I've seen numerous posts on the board here where you've used other techniques that I've personally found much more interesting and engaging. I'm not trying to argue anything here, just wanted to make sure you realized that sometimes playing the condescending card will have the opposite effect from what you expect. In terms of Thomas and Killman's conflict styles, I wind up somewhere between collaborate and avoid. The avoid part is why I will disengage when someone is being condescending - somewhere subconsciously I assume an argument has no merit whatsoever if it's presented in a condescending fashion.
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Post by interstateeight on Apr 20, 2011 18:15:43 GMT -8
In terms of Thomas and Killman's conflict styles, WHY
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Post by kymess_jr on Apr 21, 2011 4:34:31 GMT -8
Davers, I don't think there's anything wrong with your method of finding new music. When I said I was jumping on the "you're listening wrong" bandwagon it was more of a sarcastic comment to that other guy. I don't actually think there is any one way to approach listening to or finding music. For me, I can't stream music or use youtube at work (where I spend the majority of my time). My only access to daily music has become a shitty clock radio that loses reception if it rains or if 2 people are in the office at the same time or if anyone walks down the hall. On the upside, I'm allowed to use an FM transmitter to listen to my ipod on said radio on my graveyard shift once a week. Because of this lack of access to music, I tend to find my new music first by reading about it. Normally I end up reading so much about a new artist (to me) that by the time I actually get a chance to listen to anything, I choose to start with a full album that stuck out the most in my reading. I know it can be totally intimidating and overwhelming though when an artist has a huge catalogue-- I totally felt lost when I saw just how many albums GBV has underbelt. But I figured I just had to start somewhere so I jumped in with Bee Thousand. And that's my method, I like to just dive in and then slowly expand, and even if I don't like the first album I try, I'll still try more. I think picking and choosing a few songs from different albums to get an idea of a good place for you to start sounds like just as good a method. Also, you're still checking out a whole album, you're just using a few tracks to try and find whichever album might be the best springboard. I guess I just took slight offense at the dismissive attitude that other guy seemed to be showing to the idea of the "album" with his method of listening. And for the record I think this: 1. Browse the most viewed tracks of band on youtube/myspace until I get a sense of what the bands style is 2. If I like a few tracks, I'll download the highest rated/most popular album on rate your music 3. Delete the songs I dont like, songs I love go into my current listening to playlist 4. If I still like the band, Download all other albums, repeat steps 3 + 4 is retarted. An album is more than just the songs that make them up. Obviously concept albums should NEVER have tracks cut from them and even albums that are more of just a collection songs should still stay together. At the same time I am not opposed to making a mix CD for a trip or throwing my ipod on shuffle. I agree, this seems like a retarded way of trying to find out what an artist is about. It screams of ADD, instant-gratification, attention-span of a twitter update to me. Does not compute for me. I hold great value in listening to an album complete from start to end, and believe more depth and reward is found there. And the idea of deleting the lesser liked tracks from an album-- that just seems like such a fuck you to an artist! I mean, I love making mixes and will spend months trying to find the perfect placement of tracks; I can only imagine how much effort and thought goes into deciding a tracklist for a band.
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Post by kymess_jr on Apr 21, 2011 4:35:42 GMT -8
Ok, to get this back on topic and stop beating a dead horse....
My top 10 in no particular order:
Wolf Parade Bassnectar !!! Yeasayer Iron & Wine Ratatat Sam Roberts Foster the People Matt & Kim Flaming Lips
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Post by thecrazedmadman on Apr 21, 2011 9:33:50 GMT -8
I agree, this seems like a retarded way of trying to find out what an artist is about. It screams of ADD, instant-gratification, attention-span of a twitter update to me. Does not compute for me. I hold great value in listening to an album complete from start to end, and believe more depth and reward is found there. And the idea of deleting the lesser liked tracks from an album-- that just seems like such a fuck you to an artist! I mean, I love making mixes and will spend months trying to find the perfect placement of tracks; I can only imagine how much effort and thought goes into deciding a tracklist for a band. If theres one thing that I've gotten out of this debate (besides the fact that I still dont like The Flaming Lips) is that deleting tracks from an album is probably not the best idea in terms of listening to music. Its like skipping to all the action scenes in a movie, sure its the best part....but they mean so much more when you watch the whole thing. Thinking back, I believe it started when I was younger when I found a song I liked....but the rest of the album sucked (aka. a one hit wonder), Still wanted to listen to that song, but not sit through the crap of the rest of the album....and then just deleted the crap, guess I went a little overboard when I started to listen to actual good artists. One last question though, when you go to a concert.....the artist plays (usually) their best/favorite tracks from all their albums....how different is it with the system I had? (not saying they're the same, just similar)
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Post by J. Walter Weatherman on Apr 21, 2011 10:26:32 GMT -8
Only keeping the tracks you automatically like reminds me of my sister. Who doesn't have a single full album on her iPod. Not even a full Nickelback album. Only the singles.
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Post by Geoff on Apr 21, 2011 12:09:43 GMT -8
Only keeping the tracks you automatically like reminds me of my sister. Who doesn't have a single full album on her iPod. Not even a full Nickelback album. Only the singles. Oh my god this is what my sister does too and it pisses me off.
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