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Post by StormyPinkness on Aug 23, 2013 13:33:19 GMT -8
For me this boils down to the fact that seeing someone that has mastered an instrument, someone who has given it a voice of their own, is always going to be more interesting and impressive than somebody pushing buttons. Or someone that uses the buttons as a dynamic part of their live set will be far better than having someone just pushing play. That is not to say that a DJ could not ever have a great set, but that will never leave me breathless like watching Deaner or Trey or Larry LaLonde or Jack White shred on a guitar, Claude Coleman or Jay Lane or Fishman hammer on those drums, Les showing you things you didn't think were possible on the bass. The names here don't matter, they are just examples of people at the top of their game, the fact of the matter is these are human beings that have picked up these instruments and done truly amazing things with them. You can still say this about people like NIN who use electronic music in their act, but they don't just push a button, they are using it as a dynamic part of their stage show.
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Post by emptyfox on Aug 23, 2013 14:08:50 GMT -8
For me this boils down to the fact that seeing someone that has mastered an instrument, someone who has given it a voice of their own, is always going to be more interesting and impressive than somebody pushing buttons. Or someone that uses the buttons as a dynamic part of their live set will be far better than having someone just pushing play. That is not to say that a DJ could not ever have a great set, but that will never leave me breathless like watching Deaner or Trey or Larry LaLonde or Jack White shred on a guitar, Claude Coleman or Jay Lane or Fishman hammer on those drums, Les showing you things you didn't think were possible on the bass. The names here don't matter, they are just examples of people at the top of their game, the fact of the matter is these are human beings that have picked up these instruments and done truly amazing things with them. You can still say this about people like NIN who use electronic music in their act, but they don't just push a button, they are using it as a dynamic part of their stage show. The whole button pushing argument is pretty cliche and inaccurate though. Sure, there are some very high profile "DJ's" that push buttons... actually there are a lot of them, and they give DJ's in general a bad rap, but a true DJ, who has perfected the INSTRUMENT that is two (or three, or sometimes even four) turntables with a mixer in the middle and big fat stack of vinyl has spent just as much time honing that craft as your Fishman's, or Deaners's or whoever you'd like to compare them to. There is a major difference between a producer that pushes buttons at his live shows because he sucks as a DJ, and a true DJ who knows what he's doing behind the decks. It's rare to find a great producer that is also an awesome DJ, and it's equally as rare to find it the other way around. I think the big issue is no one seems to know the difference between a producer and a DJ, and most don't care to educate themselves about it.
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Post by StormyPinkness on Aug 23, 2013 14:20:24 GMT -8
Hey guess what, though, we just got tickets to NIN.
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Post by StormyPinkness on Aug 23, 2013 14:21:47 GMT -8
For me this boils down to the fact that seeing someone that has mastered an instrument, someone who has given it a voice of their own, is always going to be more interesting and impressive than somebody pushing buttons. Or someone that uses the buttons as a dynamic part of their live set will be far better than having someone just pushing play. That is not to say that a DJ could not ever have a great set, but that will never leave me breathless like watching Deaner or Trey or Larry LaLonde or Jack White shred on a guitar, Claude Coleman or Jay Lane or Fishman hammer on those drums, Les showing you things you didn't think were possible on the bass. The names here don't matter, they are just examples of people at the top of their game, the fact of the matter is these are human beings that have picked up these instruments and done truly amazing things with them. You can still say this about people like NIN who use electronic music in their act, but they don't just push a button, they are using it as a dynamic part of their stage show. The whole button pushing argument is pretty cliche and inaccurate though. Sure, there are some very high profile "DJ's" that push buttons... actually there are a lot of them, and they give DJ's in general a bad rap, but a true DJ, who has perfected the INSTRUMENT that is two (or three, or sometimes even four) turntables with a mixer in the middle and big fat stack of vinyl has spent just as much time honing that craft as your Fishman's, or Deaners's or whoever you'd like to compare them to. There is a major difference between a producer that pushes buttons at his live shows because he sucks as a DJ, and a true DJ who knows what he's doing behind the decks. It's rare to find a great producer that is also an awesome DJ, and it's equally as rare to find it the other way around. I think the big issue is no one seems to know the difference between a producer and a DJ, and most don't care to educate themselves about it. Fair enough, I suppose I have just never seen a DJ that has been at that level. And it has to do with personal preference as I fucking love guitar music.
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Post by Horned Gramma on Aug 23, 2013 14:27:19 GMT -8
Hey guess what, though, we just got tickets to NIN. OOPS
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Post by Professor Pancakes on Aug 23, 2013 14:33:26 GMT -8
Hey guess what, though, we just got tickets to NIN. I'm jealous. I haven't seen them since Sasquatch 2006 and I really want to go see them this fall, but I'm not sure it's gonna happen. I didn't have the money when tickets went on sale and I'm afraid that by the time I have the money I'll end up with shit seats. Plus I'm torn between buying NIN tickets and saving the money for Sasquatch presale tickets, which should be available in just a couple months. On a related note, Sasquatch presale tickets will be available in just a couple months!
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Post by emptyfox on Aug 23, 2013 14:36:41 GMT -8
Hey guess what, though, we just got tickets to NIN. I just "liked" my first post.
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Post by StormyPinkness on Aug 23, 2013 14:49:42 GMT -8
Hey guess what, though, we just got tickets to NIN. I'm jealous. I haven't seen them since Sasquatch 2006 and I really want to go see them this fall, but I'm not sure it's gonna happen. I didn't have the money when tickets went on sale and I'm afraid that by the time I have the money I'll end up with shit seats. Plus I'm torn between buying NIN tickets and saving the money for Sasquatch presale tickets, which should be available in just a couple months. On a related note, Sasquatch presale tickets will be available in just a couple months! We are in the 200 area seating. Not incredible but not the worst. I have only seen them at Sasquatch 2009 but they wowed me then and I have always wanted to see their stage show. All of this talk was impetus to drop the cash for this show. I am excited.
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Post by Horned Gramma on Aug 23, 2013 14:50:24 GMT -8
Hey guess what, though, we just got tickets to NIN. I just "liked" my first post. I've been doing that lately. It's fun!
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Post by rimjobflashmob on Aug 23, 2013 15:19:35 GMT -8
In short, don't skip an iconic band that you assume you won't like for something that's just decent. Or people will call you pompous. Just to clarify, I'm not assuming that I don't like them - I know I don't, I've listened to a fair amount of their/his music. If there's someone I actually enjoy playing on another stage at the same time, that's who I want to see. That's all I was trying to say and I apologize if that was unclear. My original post was poorly-worded. But I'm not gonna skip out on NIN for like, Owl City or something.
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Post by Geoff on Aug 23, 2013 15:59:51 GMT -8
Hey guess what, though, we just got tickets to NIN. Awesome. Did you get GA floor?
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Post by Professor Pancakes on Aug 23, 2013 16:20:43 GMT -8
I'm jealous. I haven't seen them since Sasquatch 2006 and I really want to go see them this fall, but I'm not sure it's gonna happen. I didn't have the money when tickets went on sale and I'm afraid that by the time I have the money I'll end up with shit seats. Plus I'm torn between buying NIN tickets and saving the money for Sasquatch presale tickets, which should be available in just a couple months. On a related note, Sasquatch presale tickets will be available in just a couple months! We are in the 200 area seating. Not incredible but not the worst. I have only seen them at Sasquatch 2009 but they wowed me then and I have always wanted to see their stage show. All of this talk was impetus to drop the cash for this show. I am excited. I've seen them three times. They absolutely blew me away every time and I always swore I'd never miss them whenever they came around. As it turns out, I've missed them the last two times they played (Sasquatch 2009 and the LITS tour). Now it's looking like I might miss them a third time. I'm really banking on them playing Sasquatch next year.
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Post by Cysquatch on Aug 23, 2013 17:41:48 GMT -8
For me this boils down to the fact that seeing someone that has mastered an instrument, someone who has given it a voice of their own, is always going to be more interesting and impressive than somebody pushing buttons. Or someone that uses the buttons as a dynamic part of their live set will be far better than having someone just pushing play. That is not to say that a DJ could not ever have a great set, but that will never leave me breathless like watching Deaner or Trey or Larry LaLonde or Jack White shred on a guitar, Claude Coleman or Jay Lane or Fishman hammer on those drums, Les showing you things you didn't think were possible on the bass. The names here don't matter, they are just examples of people at the top of their game, the fact of the matter is these are human beings that have picked up these instruments and done truly amazing things with them. You can still say this about people like NIN who use electronic music in their act, but they don't just push a button, they are using it as a dynamic part of their stage show. The whole button pushing argument is pretty cliche and inaccurate though. Sure, there are some very high profile "DJ's" that push buttons... actually there are a lot of them, and they give DJ's in general a bad rap, but a true DJ, who has perfected the INSTRUMENT that is two (or three, or sometimes even four) turntables with a mixer in the middle and big fat stack of vinyl has spent just as much time honing that craft as your Fishman's, or Deaners's or whoever you'd like to compare them to. There is a major difference between a producer that pushes buttons at his live shows because he sucks as a DJ, and a true DJ who knows what he's doing behind the decks. It's rare to find a great producer that is also an awesome DJ, and it's equally as rare to find it the other way around. I think the big issue is no one seems to know the difference between a producer and a DJ, and most don't care to educate themselves about it. This is a cool show that shows the decks throughout the entire set. The main reason I posted this though, is that Markus sums up pretty well the idea of djing in the beginning.
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Post by StormyPinkness on Aug 23, 2013 21:43:12 GMT -8
Hey guess what, though, we just got tickets to NIN. Awesome. Did you get GA floor? GA was sold out. We almost got 100 level seats but they were way off to the side and I want to be able to see the whole thing.
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Post by Professor Pancakes on Aug 23, 2013 22:04:48 GMT -8
A guy in the bar where I am right now is doing a karaoke version of Johnny Cash's cover of Hurt. If that's not cultural influence, I don't know what is.
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Post by Professor Pancakes on Aug 23, 2013 22:07:32 GMT -8
Awesome. Did you get GA floor? GA was sold out. We almost got 100 level seats but they were way off to the side and I want to be able to see the whole thing. Good move. When I saw them at the Key Arena, we were in 100 level to the side of the stage. It was still a great show, but we missed out on a lot of the visual effects due to our viewing angle. It is definitely a show that should be seen as well as heard.
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Post by Horned Gramma on Aug 24, 2013 9:51:34 GMT -8
GA was sold out. We almost got 100 level seats but they were way off to the side and I want to be able to see the whole thing. Good move. When I saw them at the Key Arena, we were in 100 level to the side of the stage. It was still a great show, but we missed out on a lot of the visual effects due to our viewing angle. It is definitely a show that should be seen as well as heard. It's nice to have the decision validated. The 100 level seats were significantly closer to the stage, but I just didn't want to be seeing everything they were doing from a sharp angle.
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Post by Cysquatch on Aug 24, 2013 9:57:35 GMT -8
Good move. When I saw them at the Key Arena, we were in 100 level to the side of the stage. It was still a great show, but we missed out on a lot of the visual effects due to our viewing angle. It is definitely a show that should be seen as well as heard. It's nice to have the decision validated. The 100 level seats were significantly closer to the stage, but I just didn't want to be seeing everything they were doing from a sharp angle. I think this kind of depends if you want a really good view of the artists, or if you want a good view of the stage production. You definitely should have a view facing the stage better if it is any thing like their recent big arena production. For Lights In The Sky the had gigantic LED panels in front and behind the band, so you really had to be facing the stage to see the visuals as they were intended to be viewed.
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Post by Cysquatch on Aug 24, 2013 10:01:57 GMT -8
This is a good video, and may be in the same venue. Good example of view from the side angle as well.
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Post by Horned Gramma on Aug 24, 2013 10:27:01 GMT -8
Holy monkey fuck, that is cool.
...although they can leave all of their nifty light bulbs at home as long as they bring that marimba player with them. THAT is the thing that I am talkin' bout.
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