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Post by Friendly Destroyer on May 11, 2011 13:49:13 GMT -8
Dudes, ain't no one setting a charter or law. Why is it we can all say the dumbest ignorant shit imaginable, but when some one says different to it you're all like "It's the internet, move on, sensitive". You move on and carry on with your ignorance, the internet police won't be hunting you down (just you're conscience).
My guess is y'all are bent out of shape cuz deep down...
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Post by StormyPinkness on May 11, 2011 13:51:39 GMT -8
I do not accept that I should not say anything about marginalizing people just because it is the internet. This is a community. I can indeed go to the whole rest of the internet if I want to suffer fools. But that is not what I choose to do.
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Post by Horned Gramma on May 11, 2011 13:53:43 GMT -8
Definitely looking forward to the post-festival board when we start to shed some of the detritus we've been picking up these last few months.
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Post by Fig on May 11, 2011 13:55:21 GMT -8
And then we can go back to the circlejerk
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Post by davers on May 11, 2011 13:59:23 GMT -8
OK I just want to make one last attempt to save myself from being the racist/sexist asshole on the board. I honestly like talking about this kind of thing because it gives me a better idea of what different people in the world are like and a better understanding of the world in general. I also know that most people on this board are sick of these kind of arguments so if you want to reply to this a PM would be preferable so we dont piss off everyone else here. First off, I am still a pretty young guy (23) and a lot of the posters on this board are older than I. Because of this they may have much more experience with sexism and racism than I, which is why they have a different view on it. Also, where I live, racism and sexism isnt very common (but it still exists without a doubt). I havent spent any signifigant amount of time in areas other posters are from, so I really cant draw any reasonable comparisons. HG and Spirulina summed up my feelings quite well, so I will just say that if you are the kind of person who things racist and sexist jokes are funny, you think racism and sexism are funny, and I just do not understand that. I think some people may not be understanding why I think racial and sexist humour is funny. The reason I find it funny is because it draws on existing stereotypes and explains them in a hyperbolic way so as to make the original sterotype laughable. I also understand that these sterotypes come from actual racism and sexism, so it can be a fine line to walk. I like shows like South Park. They have made ass fun of just about every single race and religion out there, and they have done so in a way as to make the underlying reasons for the original hatred seem stupid. THAT is what makes it so funny to me. In my circle of friends we all think racism and sexism are out dated ways of thinking, therefor we sometimes make over-the-top jokes which is actually a joke about the sterotype itself rather than something against that particular race. And really, when you live in a city where well over 50% of the people are non-white, it is pretty hard to live your life thinking that common racial sterotypes are true all of the time. (though, again, there are still racist people here). Here is an example of a short conversation I had a few weeks ago. I was doing the dishes, and my female roommate came home. She saw this and said "What are you doing? Thats my job!" we both laughed, she sat down and watched tv and I continued with the dishes. We find this funny because it is totally ludricus that a woman should have to do things like cook and clean while men just sit around and drink beer. I don't think you even know what your own context is. Fair enough. I shouldnt have typed that joke as I said I was trying to keep that kind of stuff off of the board. My fault there. I am not trying to say everyone should have the same sense of humour as me. I'm sorry if I implied that anyone who didnt think that joke was funny was being too sensitive. Everyone has lived a different life and will find different things funny. Just because you cant laugh at something doesnt mean you dont have a sense of humour, it just means its different than mine. That doesnt mean we cant still get along. {/sappy}
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Post by dontoro on May 11, 2011 14:04:38 GMT -8
Dudes, ain't no one setting a charter or law. Why is it we can all say the dumbest ignorant shit imaginable, but when some one says different to it you're all like "It's the internet, move on, sensitive". You move on and carry on with your ignorance, the internet police won't be hunting you down (just you're conscience). My guess is y'all are bent out of shape cuz deep down... Not everyone is saying, "move on," but it's a fair suggestion. The majority of people who post regularly or have posted regularly, I'm assuming have come to look at these boards as a friendly environment, or at least one that mimics what they would search out within their own social circles. As is the case amongst your own "IRL" friends, I'm sure we've all made numerous comments that can be considered to marginalize one group or another; do you get in uproars or feel a need to constantly correct yourself in those situations too? From as much as I've gathered from this board, and other social media outlets, the understanding of social construction and the imperfection of anglo dominated patriarchal society as shown in these discussions hasn't stemmed much further than text readings, (unless you're a woman or a homosexual, in which case you have to deal with it everyday regardless of an academic insight you may have.) My point being as a person of ethnicity there's been things I've read on this board throughout the last two years I've been following along that I've been utterly repulsed by; generally I'm taken to that level when it's not a comment underlined by comedic intent. Just because it's a joke doesn't make it right, but goddamn, would you jump down your friends throat all the time? Especially when there was enough thought taken into consideration to try and rectify the situation prior to any heated responses?
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Post by Friendly Destroyer on May 11, 2011 14:09:56 GMT -8
Yes. Real friends shouldn't make you feel like shit or offend you every so often for being nothing more than the colour, sex, and orientation that you are. They especially shouldn't make you feel ashamed for expressing your disapproval or make you feel it is "too much trouble" to get into it with them.
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Post by Horned Gramma on May 11, 2011 14:11:20 GMT -8
For the record davers, I don't consider you 'detritus'.
I understand what you are saying about the humor lying in the hyperbolization of stereotypes, and of course South Park is the perfect example of that method. Not very many people are as clever and well-informed as Trey Parker is, though. Certainly no one on this board is. So when people try to wield that kind of sense of humor, they usually remember to include the shocking and offensive aspects and skimp on the intellectualism and panache. You end up sounding less like a social critic and more like just another asshole.
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Post by Friendly Destroyer on May 11, 2011 14:13:37 GMT -8
So when people try to wield that kind of sense of humor, they usually remember to include the shocking and offensive aspects and skimp on the intellectualism and panache. You end up sounding less like a social critic and more like just another asshole. I've fumbled through trying to explain this so many times. Bang on!
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Post by Horned Gramma on May 11, 2011 14:16:43 GMT -8
Yes. Real friends shouldn't make you feel like shit or offend you every so often for being nothing more than the colour, sex, and orientation that you are. They especially shouldn't make you feel ashamed for expressing your disapproval or make you feel it is "too much trouble" to get into it with them. Absolutely. For one thing, I don't count among my IRL friends anyone who would make sexist or racist comments so I don't have to worry about becoming confrontational about it very often. For another thing, one of our extended family told a filthy, demeaning joke about homosexuals over Thanksgiving dinner a couple months ago and even in that setting it wasn't something that we just let slide because we didn't want to get into it. I would have no hesitations about calling anyone out directly to their face if they talked like that in a social setting. So for everyone's sake, people, let's all try really really hard to keep these kind of comments to a minimum at Sasquatch because if we end up having the sexism argument while I'm busy trying to party my fuzzy little face off I'm going to be so pissed.
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Post by dontoro on May 11, 2011 14:16:58 GMT -8
There was no intent on making anyone feel shameful, at least not on my part, and as Davers tried to rectify the situation originally, I feel like there wasn't any malicious intent in his comments either; however there was a seemingly immediate need to correct this person on a comment they made, (at least by some) instead of voicing why it was wrong first. If there's a problem with a comment it's fine to state what the problem is, just as you would hopefully do in an actual social setting, instead of immediately generalizing a statement and assuming that's enough to understand a person's level of intellect or ignorance on the subject.
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Post by Pea on May 11, 2011 14:19:51 GMT -8
Ohhh so THIS is the sexism debate thread of the week.
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Post by Horned Gramma on May 11, 2011 14:21:50 GMT -8
Every thread is every thread is every thread is every thread is a sexism debate thread.
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Post by davers on May 11, 2011 14:37:40 GMT -8
if we end up having the sexism argument while I'm busy trying to party my fuzzy little face off I'm going to be so pissed. You really think anyone at sasquatch will be coherent enough to have any sort of discussion beyond "I love you man! You're the best" "No! YOU'RE the best!"
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Post by StormyPinkness on May 11, 2011 14:42:21 GMT -8
BIFFY!!!
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Post by Shaxspear III Esq. on May 11, 2011 15:06:33 GMT -8
I would like to point out that the word "panache" is extremely underutilized in today's society
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Post by Peter Gibbons on May 11, 2011 15:10:57 GMT -8
Ohhh so THIS is the sexism debate thread of the week. Quit being so damn racist.
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Post by Friendly Destroyer on May 11, 2011 20:17:41 GMT -8
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Post by spirulina on May 12, 2011 12:55:08 GMT -8
I don't know... but we can pretend! Hi brotherfromanothermother!
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Post by StormyPinkness on May 12, 2011 12:57:44 GMT -8
I like sisterfromanothermister.
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