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Post by davers on May 11, 2011 12:07:53 GMT -8
See, I didnt want to go down this road, which is why I covered my ass on the whole bitch slap comment.
Anyway, my point was everyone has a different line. I didnt want to cross anyones, so I did my best not to. I'm just going to drop this, but everyone else can continue if they want.
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Post by spirulina on May 11, 2011 12:09:37 GMT -8
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Post by davers on May 11, 2011 12:11:31 GMT -8
I am fully aware that there is a time and a place for them, and a message board with a bunch of people I dont really know probably isnt the place. It doesn't fucking matter if davers thinks sexist jokes are funny. They're not, and they have no place here.
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Post by Horned Gramma on May 11, 2011 12:12:01 GMT -8
See, I didnt want to go down this road "Why dont women wear watches?" "Because there's a clock on the stove" Mmkay.
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Post by spirulina on May 11, 2011 12:12:15 GMT -8
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Post by davers on May 11, 2011 12:14:58 GMT -8
Way to take that out of context.
I gotta get back to work.
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Post by Horned Gramma on May 11, 2011 12:24:32 GMT -8
I don't think you even know what your own context is. You don't seem to be applying critical thinking skills to this conversation at all. So yeah, maybe just get back to work.
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Post by alex on May 11, 2011 12:25:55 GMT -8
Right Click -> Save As Thank you.
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Post by Friendly Destroyer on May 11, 2011 12:28:20 GMT -8
I don't get easily offended. I get offended if my own subjugation is happening before my eyes, yeah. Thing is, I don't know the guy, and I can't make any observations as to his intent. It could be that he's a card carrying member of NOW and he just doesn't know any better. No matter your intentions, you have to learn someday that these jokes aren't just jokes. They're oppressive, demeaning, and put in place by a patriarchal society that wants to keep women in check. I can't stand it. Anyone who complains just "can't take a joke." Well, yeah, I guess I do kind of get a little itchy when something is so blatantly patronizing. It's a great marginalizing strategy, really. Those who don't like it get pushed to the side as unfunny feminists who don't know how to laugh, and those who go along with it are "in the cool crowd". I aint mad. I just want to spread a little uppity education. Are we related?
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Post by StormyPinkness on May 11, 2011 12:31:55 GMT -8
See, I didnt want to go down this road, which is why I covered my ass on the whole bitch slap comment. My point was that it should be blatantly obvious when you are crossing a line. There are not people sitting around waiting to "call sexism" on you. HG and Spirulina summed up my feelings quite well, so I will just say that if you are the kind of person who things racist and sexist jokes are funny, you think racism and sexism are funny, and I just do not understand that. And Geno, this is not about being easily offended. I am so not easily offended. This is about being marginalized and really, for me, not letting people get away with the lazy rationalization that "whatever I say is just going to offend these people." You don't need to walk on eggshells, you just need to use some common sense and respect.
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Post by barrelofthepen on May 11, 2011 12:34:42 GMT -8
Just a quick note that might make things easier, if you need to clarify that something is not sexist or racist after you say it, just don't say it.
It's really just being polite and being aware of other people's feelings.
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Post by Friendly Destroyer on May 11, 2011 12:57:23 GMT -8
I'm really not used to seeing people get so easily offended over the internet. I've been to a lot of different internet communities, but this is the only forum where I've seen one little comment get so many people in an uproar. This is just some side info. At every point in time the world was at it's most educated, technologically and socially advanced state when compared to it's past. At one point while living in it's most advanced state white people felt okay with owning black slaves. They felt okay in referring to them in demeaning ways and joking about them as 2nd rate human beings. Popular language was abundant with these slurs to the point that they extended to descriptions beyond the actual person and would describe undesirable traits and ways of doing things. A minority of the population always found this to be unfair and immoral, but the majority just saw them as being "too sensitive". Despite living in the most advanced civilized neck of the woods it took hundreds of years to even begin touching the tip of the iceberg of this travesty that extends beyond the vile action and into the language that we use to perpetuate a people's oppression. Sometimes I wish people would just take a second and listen to, not just one, not just a few, but a whole entire group's concern and disapproval to the overwhelming and accepted use we have in condescending terms and language in our current vocabulary at their expense. What makes you so special that you can disregard their feelings as "over sensitivity"? Back in the day the majority of people weren't terrible racists because they wanted to be or worked hard on presenting themselves as so, it just was the way things were and most people blindly accepted it. Since the hate and oppression was so openly encouraged it, very unfortunately, seemed okay. Anyone who opposed was clearly too sensitive and not worried about the bigger issues of the day (the economy, trading, land...). We ain't all that more special than any other group of people who have ever lived in the present and I guarantee you our future people will look back on this time with boggled minds on how we allowed things to be the way they were. Let's just hope it doesn't take another couple of hundred years for that view point to manifest as a collective majority.
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Post by barrelofthepen on May 11, 2011 12:59:46 GMT -8
FD, how do you always manage to say the best things I read on the interwebs?
For reals, I just want to hug you right now.
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Post by Horned Gramma on May 11, 2011 13:01:08 GMT -8
EVERYBODY wants to hug Friendly D. The line starts back there.
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Post by Geoff on May 11, 2011 13:04:21 GMT -8
I was just saying, when someone says something like that on the other websites I go to, they just get called an idiot and everyone else moves on. There are idiots on the internet, there's no reason to get offended by what some random idiot on the internet says. Just ignore the idiot, and move on. Otherwise, we get into these kind of arguments that won't go anywhere.
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Post by Friendly Destroyer on May 11, 2011 13:04:50 GMT -8
Thanks guys!
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Post by Lump on May 11, 2011 13:05:50 GMT -8
Friendly D for prez
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Post by Friendly Destroyer on May 11, 2011 13:07:51 GMT -8
I was just saying, when someone says something like that on the other websites I go to. They just get called an idiot and everyone moves on. There are idiots on the internet, there's no reason to get offended by what some random idiot on the internet says. Just ignore the idiot, and move on. Otherwise, we get into these kind of arguments that won't go anywhere. Geenz, I would just say that from the way you express your take on this I would guess these types of points and convictions haven't crossed your path yet, is that so? I feel strongly about a corny saying known as "You know better, you do better".
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Post by alex on May 11, 2011 13:15:18 GMT -8
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Post by dontoro on May 11, 2011 13:44:09 GMT -8
I was just saying, when someone says something like that on the other websites I go to, they just get called an idiot and everyone else moves on. There are idiots on the internet, there's no reason to get offended by what some random idiot on the internet says. Just ignore the idiot, and move on. Otherwise, we get into these kind of arguments that won't go anywhere. I got to agree with this. There's many things I've found to be offensive even if only marginally that have been said by numerous board members, but I think the important thing to keep in mind is that it's the FUCKING internet. There is no law for enforcing sensibility, and there is no charter demanding courtesy.
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