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Post by badchoices on Jan 10, 2013 19:59:28 GMT -8
Just read that Justin Upton rejected a trade to the M's. It is reported that the trade included Nick Franklin, Charlie Furbush, Stephen Pryor and one of our big three (Walker, Hultzen, Paxton).
This is only from mlbtraderumors.com but:
"the bulk of the risk would've fallen on Mariners GM Jack Zduriencik. As a source opines to FOX Sports' Ken Rosenthal (Twitter link), Upton may have "saved Jack Z's job" by rejecting the trade and keeping so much top-flight young talent in Seattle."
I tend to agree with that with this specific move
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Post by wonk on Jan 10, 2013 21:53:42 GMT -8
I think what we agreed on was that the BBWAA is a complete joke. I'm not sure I ever said that everybody was doing steroids. Call me idealistic, but I'm fairly confident at least 1/5 players weren't juicing. My position is this (I said this several pages ago) The BBWW has a responsibility to nominate the best very players from each era into the Hall. And while Bonds, Clemens and McGwire all chose to do steroids, they were also three of the best players from their era -and would still have been, even without the steroids. They shouldn't be punished because they were caught and players like Kirby Puckett, Cal Ripken and Roberto Alomar weren't.Now then, referring to Glavine and Maddux - Unless something comes out on both of them over the next 11 months (tying them to steroids) I'm 100% confident both of those players will be elected to Hall of Fame - and deservedly so. But players who have admitting to steroids have admitted to doing them to recover from injury. Pitchers throwing 100+ pitches per night are injuring their arm, so using steroids will make them stronger their next start. It's not speculation, it's science. Maddux and Glavine were around long enough to win 300 games, so it makes sense they used steroids to keep their arm youthful while pitching through the steroid era of the early 90s and beyond. Speaking of which, do you remember when basically every player on the Texas Rangers was suspected of steroids in the early 90s, because Jose Canseco played for that team, and outed half of his teammates? Guess who also played for the Rangers in the early 90s. I'll give you a hint, he was a power pitcher in his mid 40s who was a first ballot Hall of Famer. Just read that Justin Upton rejected a trade to the M's. It is reported that the trade included Nick Franklin, Charlie Furbush, Stephen Pryor and one of our big three (Walker, Hultzen, Paxton). This is only from mlbtraderumors.com but: "the bulk of the risk would've fallen on Mariners GM Jack Zduriencik. As a source opines to FOX Sports' Ken Rosenthal (Twitter link), Upton may have "saved Jack Z's job" by rejecting the trade and keeping so much top-flight young talent in Seattle." I tend to agree with that with this specific move I actually feel bad for Mariner fans, because I'm a huge Justin Upton fan. They've expressed all along it is time to compete, and stop building for the future, so what a slap in the face one of the best young power hitters in the game said, "nah, I don't want to play in Seattle." One can hardly blame him with that fairweather city. |
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Post by badchoices on Jan 11, 2013 6:09:00 GMT -8
Fairweather city or not, I am definitely not a fairweather fan. Hardcore M's fan here and I watch most of the games every year (even if some of them are fast forward on DVR experiences).
I don't know what my opinion is on Upton but it is a zing to get no-trade blocked as a fan. Oh well, maybe Stanton will make me feel better....
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Post by badchoices on Jan 16, 2013 16:25:55 GMT -8
Fuck Mariners. Why this? We aquired Mike Morse today in a 3 team trade. Oh, yeah and we sent Jaso to the A's. Is Montero catching 162 games this year? Our most clutch hitter from last year gone.
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Post by chud on Jan 16, 2013 17:46:15 GMT -8
This was an incredible move for the A's assuming Jaso puts up comprable numbers to last year: 3.3WAR, .850 OPS WITH 10 bombs and 50 RBIs playing a ton of games in Safeco.
Catcher was teams biggest hole last season. I, like most men, enjoy filling holes. We sent A.J. cole (ton of upside...TON!!!) back to the Nats. He's at least 2 if not 3-4 years away from making an impact at the major league level.
Back to bac AL West titles here we come!!! FTW!!!
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Post by wonk on Jan 16, 2013 23:11:34 GMT -8
Gotta feel bad for Jaso. I'll enjoy seeing his ass on the bench when they play the A's. Funny I made this comment about Seattle's best hitter when the Mariners traded for Morales. Now the after thought Jaso who has an .850 OPS is the A's new catcher. Great move for Oakland. Cole is a potential ace, but I'm done building for the future. As I've mentioned several times in my man-crush Stanton rants, it's time for the A's to defend their title, and stop stock piling prospects. I can't believe the Mariners gave up their best hitter for Michael Morse. Jaso can't hit lefties at all, but his OPS vs. righties last year was .927, and he'll get the bulk of the platoon at bats. Morse isn't even a pull hitter, so moving the left field fences in at Safeco shouldn't improve his power numbers too much. I'm glad my favorite team plays in the same division as the Mariners. |
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Post by chud on Jan 16, 2013 23:28:15 GMT -8
Just noticed I forgot a 'k' in one of the backs in "back to back" in my previous post. We'll just say that it was saved for Mr. Morse's first at Bat againts the A's. Strike three you're out. As are the Mariners, as far as AL West contention is concerned.
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Post by badchoices on Jan 16, 2013 23:34:50 GMT -8
As if the subtraction of Jaso and the addition of Morse changes the contention possibilities for the Mariners. We are going to the World Series every offseason in my mind.....ha!
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Post by wonk on Jan 16, 2013 23:48:32 GMT -8
You can't just rebuild for six years. You'll lose your job. Only the A's and Rays can get away with that. We're seeing it now, with the Blue Jays, Mariners, and Royals making terrible franchise decisions. "I want to save my job."
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Post by badchoices on Jan 17, 2013 8:59:10 GMT -8
You can't just rebuild for six years. You'll lose your job. Only the A's and Rays can get away with that. We're seeing it now, with the Blue Jays, Mariners, and Royals making terrible franchise decisions. "I want to save my job." Yeah it shows in the attendance. Safeco Field is empty most games. Unless there is a team that draws fans to outnumber us. Sadly this is still better than the Bavasi Era. You are right though. Rebuilding and rebuilding and rebuilding really takes it out of the fan base. Results need to be seen NOW but our division is the best in the league and we are far behind. |
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Post by chud on Jan 23, 2013 7:25:21 GMT -8
Just 19 days until pitchers and catchers report. OH THE JOY!!!
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Post by stamper on Jan 23, 2013 19:54:36 GMT -8
looks like the Braves stepped into the Justin Upton sweepstakes. Wouldn't that be some kinda outfield... Justin Upton in left, B.J. Upton in Center and Heyward in right.
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Post by wonk on Jan 23, 2013 21:13:32 GMT -8
looks like the Braves stepped into the Justin Upton sweepstakes. Wouldn't that be some kinda outfield... Justin Upton in left, B.J. Upton in Center and Heyward in right. Sounds like baseball isn't a year round sport for you. The Braves have been in on Justin Upton since they singed BJ Upton. The word is the Diamondbacks have unreasonably large expectations for what they want in return, and the talks started and ended with that SS kid who has a name like andresimmonsheltonsmithjohnny or something. The Diamondbacks then got a Jeter wannabe from the Reds in the three team trade with Cleveland (the Choo deal), and stopped looking for a SS. This part is purely my speculation, but if the Braves weren't willing to part with the only piece the Diamondbacks were interested in, why would the Diamondbacks be interested in anything the Braves have if they no longer want that piece? It makes sense to join the two brothers with nearly unlimited ceilings to see if they can push each other into super duper stardom (which I think they would), but the Braves still need to overpay for this to work. |
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Post by stamper on Jan 24, 2013 6:18:26 GMT -8
Ok.... I should have said, it looks like the Braves are BACK in the Justin Upton sweepstakes.
Yes, the Braves were in for Justin Upton a few months ago, but dropped out when Arizona asked for Andrelton Simmons. The Braves continued to monitor everything, but from afar... especially when they were pushing hard with teams like Seattle (who Justin vetoed the trade to) and Texas. However, now that Texas has backed off. Atlanta is the only team that remains. I highly doubt the Braves are going to overpay. If they have to overpay, then the deal won't happen.
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Post by stamper on Jan 24, 2013 7:37:08 GMT -8
Wow... www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/01/braves-to-acquire-justin-upton.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=facebookA 6-man trade... Braves get Justin Upton and Chris Johnson Arizona get Martin Prado, Randall Delgado and two prospects (Nick Ahmed and Zeke Spruill) Initial thoughts: While it really hurts to lose Martin Prado, the guy's going to be a free agent at the end of 2013. Maybe the Braves make a move for him after the season ends? As for Randall Delgado, he's a good young pitcher. Not great, but has the potential to be a #3 starter... more realistically, he's a #4. As for Nick Ahmed? He's a solid prospect, but with Andrelton Simmons on the team, there's nowhere for him to play. Zeke Spruill's never done much for me down on the farm. He's alright. But doesn't have that high of a ceiling. The Braves now go into 2013 with one of the most dynamic outfields in MLB. They're going to platoon third base with Chris Johnson and Juan Francisco - and they'll probably get anywhere from 20-30 Home Run from that position. This deal seems to really benefit both teams. |
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Post by chud on Jan 24, 2013 7:43:10 GMT -8
I'm just glad he didn't wind up in Texas.
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Post by stamper on Jan 24, 2013 7:55:21 GMT -8
No Bourn, Prado or Chipper... I have no idea what the Braves lineup is gonna look like.
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Post by stamper on Jan 29, 2013 14:35:54 GMT -8
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Post by wonk on Jan 29, 2013 23:32:15 GMT -8
This continues to be a boring issue for me. Professional athletes take steroids, fact. So what? A-rod should still be a first ballot Hall of Famer, and that article was ridiculously critical. He made every cent of his contract until this past season when his hip went out (it was a hip, I think?).
Why is this a bigger story than Ray Lewis, who murders people and does steroids? I have a theory, but I'm not dumb enough to state it. It has something to do with who cared about the NFL v. MLB 40 years ago.
The Uptons, I don't really have an opinion other than what I've stated, great move for the Braves. I agree with Chud, thankfully the Rangers didn't get him. Has it been confirmed yet that we all get our offseason baseball news from mlbtraderumors.com? I remember when that site was only Dierks writing. I'm a mlbtraderumors hipster.
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Post by Friendly Destroyer on Jan 30, 2013 7:33:17 GMT -8
(it was a hip, I think?). I believe it is the hips. As in "look at these the hips" or "Have you seen the hips" or "Where's my the hips?" |
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