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Post by emptyfox on Aug 22, 2013 23:01:06 GMT -8
Pull up a screen cap of Jack Black's flowchart from School of Rock, that should do it. Pretty sure one of the admins from the stone age of the board had it as his avatar. Nope, Industrial and Heavy Metal post-1989 is basically ignored.
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Post by emptyfox on Aug 22, 2013 23:11:38 GMT -8
They're one in the same. Most will remember Reznor for Nine Inch Nails, and the sphere of influence that project has/had. Does your ignorance of the fact that he toils away recording these things and fucking around with knobs in a dark room for months and years on end on his own really make a difference as to the kind of influence and lasting legacy the project and artist have left? In terms of cultural impact, I'd say so. If I ask someone about Trent Reznor they say "oh the dude from NIN? They're whatever" the vast majority of the time. I don't think NIN has nearly the fanbase to justify claims of cultural impact on a massive scale. For those who follow the music industry, Reznor is a household name, albeit one mentioned casually in passing. In my experience, the only people who worship him as a deity / are able to quantify his affect on the music industry are the scholars and the superfans, which, while important, doesn't scream "generation-defining artist" to me. I'll leave you with this for the night, because I'm driving myself crazy thinking about this. I'll come back tomorrow.
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Post by Professor Pancakes on Aug 22, 2013 23:18:48 GMT -8
In my experience, the only people who worship him as a deity / are able to quantify his affect on the music industry are the scholars and the superfans, which, while important, doesn't scream "generation-defining artist" to me. See also: people who were 16 in 1994, i.e. myself. In terms of cultural influence, I don't think anyone here is claiming that they/he have had the sort of "generation defining" influence of say The Beatles, Nirvana, or even a Madonna. But, rather, that they/he are an important part of music and have been pioneers in music and live performance, even if it is mostly recognized by "scholars and superfans". For better or worse, pretty much the entire emo/scene style, in terms of both music and fashion (for lack of a better word) can be directly traced to Reznor, And while many electronic groups since (see: pretty much the entire Industrial music genre) have tried to emulate his style, none have had his level of success. NIN's exact place in the musical history books 100 years from now has yet to be written, but I would be willing to bet that they will get a bigger chapter than whoever is (theoretically) playing the Bigfoot stage during their (now confirmed) headlining slot on the mainstage. I completely understand that you don't like them and I even respect your choice to watch someone else while they play, but to completely dismiss an artist who has had such an influence on so many lives just because you don't like his music just doesn't make sense.
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Post by rüstü on Aug 23, 2013 6:16:10 GMT -8
I still feel the need to defend electronic music as a legitimate genre that isn't a fad as Gramma insists. To say it's a fad that will go away is dismissive of the fact that people were saying that 20 years ago and it's only gotten steadily more and more popular in that time. I understand that in our American culture it's still a pretty small sect of the community that are interested in it, but that's just because we are lagging behind in that area as a country. Go visit anywhere in Europe and you'll see that electronic music has been and continues to be on an equal plane when compared to rock or pop music nowadays.
I mean, let's look at NIN for example. You can't claim that NIN/Reznor are crucially important to the music scene today and then claim that electronic music is a fad, because guess what? Trent makes electronic music. He translates it to a live show that becomes something different than a DJ set obviously, but everything he does is based heavily in a subgenre of electronic music. And you know what? If Reznor was playing a DJ set, I would be there in a heartbeat, and I cannot say the same about a NIN show. That's more reflective of my tastes than of anything else, but it's true. I am at heart a music fan with a deep knowledge of music production and seeing a DJ set by someone revered for their tastes in music pleases me to my core.
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Post by rüstü on Aug 23, 2013 6:18:01 GMT -8
While we're on the subject, here's a new NIN song released today:
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Post by Professor Pancakes on Aug 23, 2013 6:26:59 GMT -8
To reiterate Rustuuuuuu's point (and perhaps give further evidence why fans of electronic music should at least give the show a glance for a minute) for the first part of their current show, all five members of the band play drum machines and sequencers exclusively, playing both new material which was originally produced electronically and recreating several classic tracks. Electronic is music just that: music. I don't think anyone here would argue otherwise. John Talabot taught me that lesson when I watched him play live even though I wasn't a fan of his albums.
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Post by rüstü on Aug 23, 2013 6:54:43 GMT -8
Fair enough. I'm not trying to say that there's nothing at a NIN show that interests me, far from it actually. I recognize that he's a very talented dude and their live shows are legendary, and I'd probably really enjoy seeing them work simply for the technical aspect of what they do. What I'm REALLY trying to say is that musical preference dictates what I would be seeing in that hypothetical situation. There is no black and white, no "X person is very influential and puts on a great show, so you MUST see him even if you don't enjoy the music very much". Because of Reznor's rep I would of course seriously consider spending a least some time watching his show, but if, say, Jon Talabot were playing at the same time, I would be at Talabot. Not a single doubt in my mind. That's because his album is the album I've listened to most in the last 2 years, and he is also known for a legendary live show in his own right. It's just more important to me, and no amount of fame or notoriety for being influential can change that.
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Post by wompwomp on Aug 23, 2013 7:04:56 GMT -8
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Post by Cysquatch on Aug 23, 2013 7:44:08 GMT -8
I would have to say that Trent Reznor has definitly influenced the music that arists such as Jon Talabot make today. rustuu, have you listened to Ghosts by chance? It is a weird collection of experimental sounds. I particulary enjoyed when he played some of these songs live, and brought out different types of instruments such as Xylophones.
Edit: I also have a Spotify link for the album.
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Post by Pea on Aug 23, 2013 8:15:10 GMT -8
C- thread. Won't read again.
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Post by Professor Pancakes on Aug 23, 2013 8:29:44 GMT -8
This whole discussion has become far too civil and open-minded. Are we sure we're still on the internet?
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Post by rüstü on Aug 23, 2013 8:41:09 GMT -8
I never have listened to that, Cysquatch, but I'll give it a shot in the next few days!
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Post by Goldbart der Hexenmeister on Aug 23, 2013 8:50:15 GMT -8
Oh man, things in here are getting too hot for this pepper.
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Post by Cysquatch on Aug 23, 2013 8:53:24 GMT -8
I guess I should chime in on this dj vs live instruments discussion, since I'm probably one of the biggest fans of electronic music here. I say that because I am the only one that has posted in the EDM thread for the last year or so. First of all I have to wonder how many good dj sets Gramma has sat through, and how receptive Gramma is to the music. A good dj will take you on a musical journey that you will get lost in. It really is an art. It is more difficult for a dj to take you on a journey with a 45-60 minute festival slot. Djs like Markus Schulz can take that long to set the mood before he takes you down the rabbit hole as they say. Unfortunately there are many djs out there that don't really dj. They just play a set of club bangers. The same bangers as the other cookie cutter djs play. That is why it is sometimes difficult to argue the credibility of dj culture. You really have to experience a great dj in action to know what they can do or how it makes you feel. Since I have been going to so many dance festivals, I have grown a little warry of the 1 hour festival sets, and it would be hard for me to miss any decent live act for that. There may be some exceptions, but they aren't the kind of dj that gets booked by Sasquatch anyway. The great thing is if there is a boring band on the other stages the dance tent is always there to fall back on.
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Post by rüstü on Aug 23, 2013 9:06:24 GMT -8
Speaking of incredible DJ sets, I just won a pair of VIP passes to Kaleidoscope music festival this weekend. DJ Shadow is playing and it'd be basically a lifelong dream come true to see him. That guy is the epitome of 'amazing DJ' that Cysquatch is talking about. Unfortunately, I have to work both days and can't go so I'm giving the passes to a friend.
I am well aware that I'm the luckiest/most attentive to contests person alive. This is the third time in the past year I've won a pair of festival passes, and probably about the 10th time I've won tickets to something total. It's been a good year for free shows!
(obligatory DJ Shadow mix) https%3A//soundcloud.com/djshadow/all-basses-covered-the
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Post by Cysquatch on Aug 23, 2013 9:13:12 GMT -8
Speaking of incredible DJ sets, I just won a pair of VIP passes to Kaleidoscope music festival this weekend. DJ Shadow is playing and it'd be basically a lifelong dream come true to see him. Unfortunately, I have to work both days and so I'm giving them to a friend. I am well aware that I'm the luckiest/most attentive to contests person alive. This is the third time in the past year I've won a pair of festival passes, and probably about the 10th time I've won tickets to something total. It's been a good year for free shows! Bummer dude, that must be tough getting free passes, but not being able to go. I did a couple of entries for that one too. If I won, I would never be able to afford a road trip right now. I haven't seen DJ Shadow either. It wouldn't surprise me if he ended up on a lineup at one of the summer PNW festivals next year. Maybe even Sasquatch.
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Post by Nadine Hurley on Aug 23, 2013 10:04:55 GMT -8
So I'm one of those people who doesn't really care about Trent Reznor/NIN and will probably never see them again (keyword again). However, I recognize that he is an icon who has made big waves in the music world for a long time and has a reputation for putting on a helluvah live show. This is why I sat on the hill in 2009 and watched half of NIN's set, despite my lack of taste/preference for the albums. I appreciated the talent and musicianship of the band and the stage production was impressive. Ultimately though, didn't really do much for me and eventually I did hop over to the Bigfoot for the end of Of Montreal but I'm glad I checked NIN out first and can add that experience to my repertoire. I think this whole argument comes down to a single word: Decent.
Nick stated that if NIN headlined he wouldn't go see it but he wouldn't mind so long as there was something "decent" on the Bigfoot. I don't think anyone would be nearly as critical if someone decided to skip NiN because their favorite band (or even DJ) was playing at the same time. But skipping an iconic band that has garnered enough social capital and respect in the music industry to remain relevant for 30+ years (regardless of your personal taste/preference) for something that's just "decent" goes against the spirit of this precious community of ours. 'Round here ('rouuuuund here) the type of boarder/music fan that gets celebrated is well versed in an expansive array of musical styles, goes to a diverse variety of live shows and takes the time to check things out when other music aficionados tell them they shouldn't miss it.
In short, don't skip an iconic band that you assume you won't like for something that's just decent. Or people will call you pompous.
As a side note, that same year I applied this philosophy again and decided to check out Jane's Addiction's set. Dave Navarro sure can shred but boy is he a douchey little cheese ball. Again though, still glad I caught a few songs and formed my own opinion based on the live show. 2009 was such an awesomely diverse lineup, one of my favorites even though I really didn't care about the headliners on a personal level.
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Post by Cysquatch on Aug 23, 2013 11:01:08 GMT -8
This is why I sat on the hill in 2009 and watched half of NIN's set, despite my lack of taste/preference for the albums. I appreciated the talent and musicianship of the band and the stage production was impressive. I'd like to point something out for anybody that caught their last Sasquatch performance. During this run of their NIN/JA and Farewell tour, he was really going for a scaled down raw stage production. It was mostly a lot of strobes and fog. If you researched any footage from Light In The Sky (I posted one clip a few posts back), or the festival production they are doing now, it is just mesmerizing. They have a setup they are using over the summer for festivals, which is pretty impressive, but are doing something completely different on the upcoming Tension tour. This tour is supposed to be picking up where Lights In The Sky left off, which is pretty fucking exciting, because that was one of the most epic stage productions I have seen.
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Post by badchoices on Aug 23, 2013 12:54:56 GMT -8
Speaking of incredible DJ sets, I just won a pair of VIP passes to Kaleidoscope music festival this weekend. DJ Shadow is playing and it'd be basically a lifelong dream come true to see him. Unfortunately, I have to work both days and so I'm giving them to a friend. I am well aware that I'm the luckiest/most attentive to contests person alive. This is the third time in the past year I've won a pair of festival passes, and probably about the 10th time I've won tickets to something total. It's been a good year for free shows! Bummer dude, that must be tough getting free passes, but not being able to go. I did a couple of entries for that one too. If I won, I would never be able to afford a road trip right now. I haven't seen DJ Shadow either. It wouldn't surprise me if he ended up on a lineup at one of the summer PNW festivals next year. Maybe even Sasquatch. I haven't seen many DJ sets but the one that I have seen is DJ Shadow. It was last year at Decibel Festival and he said something along the lines of how he was going to not be playing any of his new music and he was going to take us on a trip on how he got to where he is. It was a fucking blast. I had never heard most of the tracks that he was including in the set but it was a journey for sure. James Murphy will be my next DJ set.
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Post by Fig on Aug 23, 2013 13:02:45 GMT -8
BC I'm gonna shoot ya a text for the James Murphy show. I'm pretty sure we are the only two boarders who got tix for it.
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