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Post by emptyfox on Aug 22, 2013 22:32:33 GMT -8
I may create another thread and move the majority of the posts.
Besides the "perceived slights", I still maintain that this is one of the most interesting conversations on this board. Especially in its current form, which is more of a debate than an argument.
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Post by Professor Pancakes on Aug 22, 2013 22:33:26 GMT -8
It's nice to have a lineup prediction thread where people are Dr. Garbanzohting and it's not because I'm saying that pearl jam will never play Sasquatch. It's still weird that we've suddenly gone back like three years in time to when everyone blew up at perceived slights on here. Goddammit, Pearl Jam will pay Sasquatch! And they will play Ten in its entirety. Anyone who says otherwise is an idiot.
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Post by rimjobflashmob on Aug 22, 2013 22:33:48 GMT -8
I may create another thread and move the majority of the posts. Besides the "perceived slights", I still maintain that this is one of the most interesting conversations on this board. Especially in its current form, which is more of a debate than an argument. It would certainly make the discussion easier to follow/formulate responses to without worrying about getting lost in the cascade.
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Post by Professor Pancakes on Aug 22, 2013 22:35:05 GMT -8
I may create another thread and move the majority of the posts. Besides the "perceived slights", I still maintain that this is one of the most interesting conversations on this board. Especially in its current form, which is more of a debate than an argument. I was jut getting ready to post something to the effect of "we might need a new lineup predictions thread."
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Post by emptyfox on Aug 22, 2013 22:38:52 GMT -8
... and other musings about music and influence.
DAMMIT I WANT MY THREAD TITLE TO BE LONGER!
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Post by rimjobflashmob on Aug 22, 2013 22:40:08 GMT -8
Yes, exactly. Are they the Beatles? No. Let's consider for a second Bowie's comparison of Reznor to The Velvet Underground. They never reached anywhere near the level of acclaim and widespread praise that the Beatles did, but in the musical landscape they're still intensely important to everything that came after. Are NIN/Reznor the same entity then? Does Reznor's legacy outstrip NIN? Going off of the information you're giving me, I'd stand by my statement that NIN will be a footnote in the future, just a part of the legacy Reznor helped create. A legacy that, again, hardly anyone outside of religious music scholars and Reznorphiles will grasp. And going back to where this discussion all started: Does this affect my desire to see a NIN performance? Not in the slightest. There are countless artists and musicians who have affected the musical/cultural landscape whose music I simply don't care for. Can I appreciate their impact? Sure. Doesn't mean I have to enjoy them. Apparently the above statement has been causing huge problems for certain forum members, which I see as enormously disrespectful.
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Post by Cbats on Aug 22, 2013 22:40:21 GMT -8
It's nice to have a lineup prediction thread where people are Dr. Garbanzohting and it's not because I'm saying that pearl jam will never play Sasquatch. It's still weird that we've suddenly gone back like three years in time to when everyone blew up at perceived slights on here. Goddammit, Pearl Jam will pay Sasquatch! And they will play Ten in its entirety. Anyone who says otherwise is an idiot. TOO BIG FOR SASQUATCH (I really doubt they will ever play Sasquatch but with the abbreviated Friday we now have there aren't that many bands that are too big for Sasquatch.)
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Post by Horned Gramma on Aug 22, 2013 22:42:18 GMT -8
Pearl Jam sucks. I'd go see any damn fool button-pusher over Pearl Jam.
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Post by Horned Gramma on Aug 22, 2013 22:42:28 GMT -8
WAKKA WAKKA WAKKA
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Post by rimjobflashmob on Aug 22, 2013 22:43:08 GMT -8
Just because I mentioned the Beatles does not mean I was comparing anyone's legacy to theirs. I was painting in broad strokes to make a point, which I still think I did quite well. Do not be obtuse. That seemed like a pretty explicit comparison to me, especially with the "BREAK IT DOWN" and all.
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Post by emptyfox on Aug 22, 2013 22:43:55 GMT -8
Yes, exactly. Are they the Beatles? No. Let's consider for a second Bowie's comparison of Reznor to The Velvet Underground. They never reached anywhere near the level of acclaim and widespread praise that the Beatles did, but in the musical landscape they're still intensely important to everything that came after. Are NIN/Reznor the same entity then? Does Reznor's legacy outstrip NIN? Going off of the information you're giving me, I'd stand by my statement that NIN will be a footnote in the future, just a part of the legacy Reznor helped create. A legacy that, again, hardly anyone outside of religious music scholars and Reznorphiles will grasp. And going back to where this discussion all started: Does this affect my desire to see a NIN performance? Not in the slightest. There are countless artists and musicians who have affected the musical/cultural landscape whose music I simply don't care for. Can I appreciate their impact? Sure. Doesn't mean I have to enjoy them. Apparently the above statement has been causing huge problems for certain forum members, which I see as enormously disrespectful. Reznor is NIN, unless they are touring.
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Post by rimjobflashmob on Aug 22, 2013 22:46:13 GMT -8
Reznor is NIN, unless they are touring. So, does my ignorance of that fact deflate my point or bolster it, in terms of the masses remembering Reznor's legacy? Considering I'm a fairly well-read music nerd?
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Post by emptyfox on Aug 22, 2013 22:47:50 GMT -8
They're one in the same. Most will remember Reznor for Nine Inch Nails, and the sphere of influence that project has/had.
Does your ignorance of the fact that he toils away recording these things and fucking around with knobs in a dark room for months and years on end on his own really make a difference as to the kind of influence and lasting legacy the project and artist have left?
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Post by rimjobflashmob on Aug 22, 2013 22:48:20 GMT -8
But who's "most" in this instance?
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Post by Horned Gramma on Aug 22, 2013 22:48:52 GMT -8
I wasn't saying anyone was anything in relation to the Beatles. What I was saying was that some people do not have the sense to stand in the presence of greatness, even when the greatness that is present is the most glaring, obvious example of greatness in the last century.
Both posts rely on the same notion/conviction to function as valid points. There is no contradiction whatsoever. Trust me.
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Post by Jefferin Jeffotash on Aug 22, 2013 22:50:06 GMT -8
Can someone give us a flow chart/graph/word tree on who NIN has influenced? That would proabably help this discussion quite a bit.
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Post by emptyfox on Aug 22, 2013 22:50:42 GMT -8
But who's "most" in this instance? See edit. Also, how many people do you know that have never heard of Nine Inch Nails or Trent Reznor?
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Post by emptyfox on Aug 22, 2013 22:55:19 GMT -8
Can someone give us a flow chart/graph/word tree on who NIN has influenced? That would proabably help this discussion quite a bit. Believe me, I've been looking for something like this for an hour.
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Post by Horned Gramma on Aug 22, 2013 22:56:50 GMT -8
Pull up a screen cap of Jack Black's flowchart from School of Rock, that should do it. Pretty sure one of the admins from the stone age of the board had it as his avatar.
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Post by rimjobflashmob on Aug 22, 2013 22:58:19 GMT -8
They're one in the same. Most will remember Reznor for Nine Inch Nails, and the sphere of influence that project has/had. Does your ignorance of the fact that he toils away recording these things and fucking around with knobs in a dark room for months and years on end on his own really make a difference as to the kind of influence and lasting legacy the project and artist have left? In terms of cultural impact, I'd say so. If I ask someone about Trent Reznor they say "oh the dude from NIN? They're whatever" the vast majority of the time. I don't think NIN has nearly the fanbase to justify claims of cultural impact on a massive scale. For those who follow the music industry, Reznor is a household name, albeit one mentioned casually in passing. In my experience, the only people who worship him as a deity / are able to quantify his affect on the music industry are the scholars and the superfans, which, while important, doesn't scream "generation-defining artist" to me.
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