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Post by Jefferin Jeffotash on May 19, 2013 10:57:54 GMT -8
I think we are fixating on the wrong point, the fact is that person had 7 posts and 6 of them were spamming the boards about the ticket they wanted to sell...The ban was just, regardless of price...
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Post by wonk on May 19, 2013 11:01:49 GMT -8
How about instead of trying to define the gray area between what is and what isn't scalping, we keep this black and white. Face value or fuck off (like it's always been).
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Post by kymess_jr on May 19, 2013 11:02:03 GMT -8
Wonk, maybe you somehow got a ticket for $295 flat but my presale ticket came to $320 and change. My friend who bought his in the regular sale just sold his to my campmate for $358, which is exactly what he paid for it.
Rather than ban someone for making a $2.50 profit, why not tell them they have to sell it for $347.50 or they will be banned? They probably didn't see rounding up as scalping, so let's use this as a chance to educate rather than prevent someone here from getting a face value ticket over an honest mistake.
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Post by Warily on May 19, 2013 11:02:57 GMT -8
I'm breaking this argument for a second...but I'm selling my ticket. I've been unemployed for about a month and half and I probably won't be able to fund the trip. I'm asking for $300 since I got it during the presale. If anyone wants to meet up to buy the ticket, message me (I'm giving priority to boarders that's been around longer).
I'm very sad I won't be able to see you all though :/ That's unless I win tickets through the ecigs contest.
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Post by kymess_jr on May 19, 2013 11:03:52 GMT -8
I think we are fixating on the wrong point, the fact is that person had 7 posts and 6 of them were spamming the boards about the ticket they wanted to sell...The ban was just, regardless of price... I can definitely agree with the point about spamming though.
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Post by kymess_jr on May 19, 2013 11:08:44 GMT -8
How about instead of trying to define the gray area between what is and what isn't scalping, we keep this black and white. Face value or fuck off (like it's always been). Except you keep trying to define what face value is based on when you bought your tickets. Face value equals what the person paid when purchasing from livenation, not the lowest tier price. Asking for proof of purchase would be a fine way to ensure a presale ticket isn't being sold at regular sale prices.
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Post by wonk on May 19, 2013 11:14:12 GMT -8
What about if you buy two passes, it's a $10 delivery fee total, not per. Is $7.50 profit cool? What about $12 profit, is that cool? What about $23, still good? What about $55? What about $212? Please tell me at what point it becomes scalping. And this person was from Seattle, they didn't pay $358. Except you keep trying to define what face value is based on when you bought your tickets. Incorrect.
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Post by Professor Pancakes on May 19, 2013 11:27:06 GMT -8
I think we are fixating on the wrong point, the fact is that person had 7 posts and 6 of them were spamming the boards about the ticket they wanted to sell...The ban was just, regardless of price... This is reasoning I can get behind. In the end, the only person who really knows why she was banned is the person who did the banning. So, until HG chimes in with the actual reason for the ban, I'm going to go with this. On the matter of price, I think we all (except Wonk) agree that face value = the price a person would have paid if they bought the ticket during the regular sale = this year, $347.50, or rounded up to $350 for the sake of convenience. I'm breaking this argument for a second...but I'm selling my ticket. I've been unemployed for about a month and half and I probably won't be able to fund the trip. I'm asking for $300 since I got it during the presale. If anyone wants to meet up to buy the ticket, message me (I'm giving priority to boarders that's been around longer). I'm very sad I won't be able to see you all though :/ That's unless I win tickets through the ecigs contest. That really sucks. There was a brief period where i started to wonder if I was going to make it and considered selling my ticket, so I kinda know how you feel. if you do have to sell it, how close do you live to Lahey? I've been stoked to see his cooler radio in person and I've started to panic vicariously about the fact that he doesn't have a ticket yet.
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Post by rüstü on May 19, 2013 11:28:30 GMT -8
Are you really that worried that someone is making less than $10 in profit? If someone tries to sell tickets for more than $360 each (roughly the Canadian face value), then it's scalping. Other than that, I couldn't care less. I think you're being ridiculously strict about this despite claiming that you don't want to define the gray area.
If someone sells their ticket for "face value" and ends up making a $5 profit because of the difference in shipping charges, I don't think any of us should give a single shit. Those are not the people this scalping rule was made for.
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Post by Professor Pancakes on May 19, 2013 11:31:28 GMT -8
Maybe we should change the rule to sell for less than you paid or GTFO.
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Post by emptyfox on May 19, 2013 11:32:15 GMT -8
Personally, I would have given the poster a warning. HG doesn't feel the same way, and I'm ok with that. End of discussion.
Oh and Gang, Lahey.
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Post by rimjobflashmob on May 19, 2013 11:32:42 GMT -8
"Make sure you're selling at a loss otherwise wonk will be sarcastic at and around you"
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Post by wonk on May 19, 2013 11:32:42 GMT -8
I think we all (except Wonk) agree that face value = the price a person would have paid if they bought the ticket during the regular sale = this year, $347.50, or rounded up to $350 for the sake of convenience. Really, everyone else agreed to this? Gang, stop trying to sell your ticket for what you paid. $350 is now the going rate.
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Post by wonk on May 19, 2013 11:38:34 GMT -8
Maybe we should change the rule to sell for less than you paid or GTFO. Maybe we should keep the rule of selling for what you paid, or GTFO. We need more regulars chiming in on why selling a ticket for more than you paid is legit.
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Post by Goldbart der Hexenmeister on May 19, 2013 11:42:36 GMT -8
Hey guys, why is the folder on fire... OH LORD JUST KILL THE THREAD SCALPING IS BAD
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Post by Professor Pancakes on May 19, 2013 11:43:29 GMT -8
I think we all (except Wonk) agree that face value = the price a person would have paid if they bought the ticket during the regular sale = this year, $347.50, or rounded up to $350 for the sake of convenience. Really, everyone else agreed to this? Gang, stop trying to sell your ticket for what you paid. $350 is now the going rate. I'm not saying that's what everyone has to sell them for, just that we shouldn't jump to ban someone for selling at that price, regardless of what they actually paid for it. There is someone on the boards right now who won two tickets and is selling one for "face value", which is a great deal for both him and the person he sells it to. Should we ban him because he's selling for more than he paid? I don't think so.
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Post by Professor Pancakes on May 19, 2013 11:53:40 GMT -8
My point is merely that there is and always will be a gray area when it comes to defining exactly who a "scalper" is. Perhaps in the future there should be a sticky thread at the top of this topic that says something to the effect of "This year, face value for tickets is $x.xx, anyone asking more than $x.xx for a ticket will be banned." Clearly defined, agreed to by the community, no more gray area. Just a thought.
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Post by wonk on May 19, 2013 11:54:11 GMT -8
Are you really that worried that someone is making less than $10 in profit? If someone tries to sell tickets for more than $360 each (roughly the Canadian face value), then it's scalping. So if you meet the conditions of, being American, not having bought presale, and only ordering one pass from Livenation, you are allowed to make up to $12.50 profit. Can we change the "Scalpers will be banned" on the main page to "Scalpers will be banned unless you are American and didn't buy presale and are only making a $12 profit or less." I think you're being ridiculously strict about this despite claiming that you don't want to define the gray area. WHOOSH
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Post by rüstü on May 19, 2013 12:00:06 GMT -8
Alright, I'm done arguing about this. You clearly have no intention of actually finding a compromise here, you'd rather make sarcastic comments for your own pleasure. There's no point in continuing for me, have fun.
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Post by rimjobflashmob on May 19, 2013 12:15:49 GMT -8
Alright, I'm done arguing about this. You clearly have no intention of actually finding a compromise here, you'd rather make sarcastic comments for your own pleasure. There's no point in continuing for me, have fun. Welcome to the wonderful world of wonk.
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