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Post by Pea on Feb 13, 2012 22:39:59 GMT -8
Frush knows what's up!
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Post by thefrush on Feb 13, 2012 22:48:12 GMT -8
Wolfgang's mah boy. Listening to the Tomorrowland set, it's solid.
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Post by davers on Feb 13, 2012 23:03:35 GMT -8
Damn frush thanks for all the info, I was just looking for an album to listen to, now I feel like I know the guy. Really hope he isn't conficting with someone I want to see, he seems like exactly what I want from an EDM set.
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Post by DeadPunk on Feb 14, 2012 0:15:06 GMT -8
Thefrush, you just got me even more excited for his set. Can't wait for this in the banana shack.
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Post by Pea on Feb 14, 2012 8:30:51 GMT -8
His essential mixes are SOFA KING rad. I listened to a couple of them last night. Definitely a better way to get hyped up for his set than his album. Truth be told, he's the #1 reason I decided to bite the bullet and buy a pass. I can't wait to arrive at the Gorge, park my car, and bolt straight into the shack.
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Post by wompwomp on Feb 14, 2012 8:40:14 GMT -8
Damn, just finished the essential mix. Dude is going to blow the roof off the shack.
Although I see he is on Saturday? Him against Jack white would effing suck.
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Post by J-Dawg on Feb 14, 2012 20:39:46 GMT -8
I really really really want to see J-Dawg's explanation of all this in here. Missed this the first time around... I'm going to tackle different parts of your post somewhat separately. --- Re: genres and subgenres in general The simplest way to differentiate different styles of EDM is based on the beat. Lorin (Bassnectar) had a good explanation of this on youtube somewhere. This gives you a breakdown into the major sub-genres by beat. From there, the sounds on top of the beat pattern let you break it down further, but beyond a certain point, it becomes extremely subtle to the point where I don't even really notice a lot of the time. It usually takes the form of "this minimal techno track sounds different than this other one, but fucked if I know what it is". Another common way to talk about the sub-genres is a sort of EDM history / family tree, where the origins of things are what matters, (both stylistic origins as well as location). Like other genres, you can sub-divide as small as you want, but you'll still run into artists or songs you can't quite place in a specific subgenre. A good example of the "family tree" breakdown is House music. Disco was a large influence on early House music (the 80s). And the house sound from places like Detroit is subtly different from House that originated from Chicago. So those things define House as well as some sub-genres. This wikipedia article gives a reasonable summary: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_musicThat article does a piss-poor job of explaining the differences in the sound, though. When I talk to people, I usually just talk in terms of what the would understand. So to my parents, I just call it all "techno" (which I know is wrong), whereas friends who know a bit about it I'll talk in terms of house, trance, techno, jungle, DnB, hardcore, etc. I seldom differentiate further in conversation since very few people tend to give a shit*. * and those who claim to are often just douchebags
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Post by J-Dawg on Feb 14, 2012 20:54:41 GMT -8
I want to know what kind of EDM fan I am, given that my favorite artists are (in no order): Lindstrom, Prins Thomas, Mount Kimbie, DP, Modeselektor, Apparat, Felix Cartal and Underworld, and I absolutely can't stand: Tiesto or David Guetta. I'm pretty sure that I love European House, Euro Dubstep and IDM, and I basically hate trance. But tell me if I'm wrong. Before you give up on trance entirely, check out some older stuff from Paul van Dyk or Paul Oakenfold. If you're thinking of Tiesto's newer stuff, it's a lot different from where he started. Adagio for Strings was a fantastic track, as was his remix of Delerium / Sarah McLachlan's track Silence. Given what you said you like, if you're looking to push your boundaries a bit, I would suggest you try Way out West on for size. I suspect you may actually like their take on trance since it's different from others (and a lot of their tracks are house or breakbeat of some form). And since you like IDM without being more specific, you might enjoy BT's This Binary Universe. You should probably also give Aphex Twin a listen (any and all of his albums). Rather than trying to categorize what you like and don't like, I would just suggest you continue exploring. The same way you would any other genre. You noted some challenges with this, more on that later...
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Post by J-Dawg on Feb 14, 2012 21:23:23 GMT -8
Also, I think that what makes it more difficult than Pea's very a propos comparison to metal (I've been close with a few serious metalheads in the past who wrote blog posts I could barely comprehend about sub-genres), is that EDM DJs and producers don't just make LPs - in fact, they rarely make LPs, they're focused on tracks, and they feature on tracks, make mixtapes, collaborate, guest-produce and do a million other collaboration-related things that make it fucking impossible to pick through their collected works. You hit the nail on the head with this one. I have stacks and stacks of EDM CDs from the late 90s and early 00s, and without counting I'd guess 70% were DJ mixes of some sort. This kind of makes sense if you consider the scene and the various forces that have driven it over the years. Electronic music used to be a lot more underground than it is now, getting almost no radio play and so most of the exposure was at shows and clubs with a DJ. And more often than not, a DJ who hadn't produced any tracks of his / her own (or maybe only a few singles). Even some of the bigger names today started out primarily as DJs and with not a lot of their own production. Tiesto is a good example of this. Nowadays, electronic music is catering to the pop / dance crowd more and more. David Guetta is one of the best examples of this. The rise of the really dirty form of dubstep that's all the rage today is also skewing things (witness: Skrillex) but I suspect this fad will die out in a few years and dubstep will return to its roots a bit more or evolve in a different direction. These two forces are at least causing album production to increase as more popular attention focuses on this kind of music, but album quality is pretty uneven on the whole. I could give a bunch of advice on how to discover new EDM, but it's the same as for any other kind of music: Go to live shows. Don't shy away from "DJ" shows with a local / small name DJ that only cost like $10. These are actually great ways to hear a bunch of stuff you will never have heard before, because with a small-name DJ set you're almost guaranteed to hear a ton of different artists. --- Unfotunately, that's the way the genre is. I've said it before on here and I'll say it again. In the EDM world, the single is king, followed by the EP, with the album a distant third. Witness that Skrillex won a grammy for an album with Scary Monsters and Nice Sprites which was technically an EP, not a full album. The good news is some artists do put out solid albums and once you discover them it's easy to continue exploring their work. They also tend to the the ones with some staying power, like the Chemical Brothers and Daft Punk. And for tracking down the latest collaboration track where Excision, Datsik, and Skrillex collaborated on a remix of a Chase and Status track, well, you probably won't be listening to that 2 weeks from now anyways.
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Post by chapper on Feb 15, 2012 10:19:03 GMT -8
A little of topic here..but shiit ya Wolfgang Gartner's essential mix is fackin great
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Post by Pea on Feb 15, 2012 10:24:32 GMT -8
Seriously, chapper. Get out of here with that electronic dance music chatter. This is the EDM thread.
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Post by chapper on Feb 15, 2012 10:31:10 GMT -8
haha just didn't want to disrupt j-dawgs well thought out posts
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Post by Pea on Feb 15, 2012 10:37:35 GMT -8
The more W.G. discussion, the better! I had to shave an entire 40 minutes off the end of his Essential Mix so I could fit it on a disc. I'm pretty anxious to finish it up and hear how the rest of it sounds.
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Post by Cysquatch on Feb 15, 2012 10:37:43 GMT -8
Damn, that Wolfgang Gartner essential mix link isn't working for me.
Edit: Ok, Pea's link works. Didn't see that one at first.
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Post by Pea on Feb 15, 2012 10:40:18 GMT -8
Do you torrent, cy? If so, you can find it on torrentz.eu.
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Post by Cysquatch on Feb 15, 2012 10:43:44 GMT -8
I don't really torrent. Just used that mediafire link.
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Post by Pea on Feb 15, 2012 10:45:40 GMT -8
Hmm. I'll see if I can track down an alternate link this evening.
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Post by chapper on Feb 15, 2012 10:49:42 GMT -8
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Post by chapper on Feb 15, 2012 10:50:09 GMT -8
I'm 49 minutes in and it's making my morning SO much better
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Post by Cysquatch on Feb 15, 2012 10:50:30 GMT -8
I think that one is working. The one that was a dead end was the one frush posted.
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