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Post by davers on Apr 23, 2012 20:08:12 GMT -8
The main thing I would have no clue at (besides like, everything else) is how do you get bands? Obviously any band with a booking agency would probably be a little out of the budget, and if you are just going to use friends bands then it's pretty much a house party.
If this was to ever happen I would make an effort to attend. I have been semi joking with a couple co-worker about buying a place in Point Roberts since it is dirt cheap and an hour drive from Vancouver. If that ever happens you can have it there.
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Post by Geoff on Apr 23, 2012 20:12:26 GMT -8
The main thing I would have no clue at (besides like, everything else) is how do you get bands? Obviously any band with a booking agency would probably be a little out of the budget, and if you are just going to use friends bands then it's pretty much a house party. If this was to ever happen I would make an effort to attend. I have been semi joking with a couple co-worker about buying a place in Point Roberts since it is dirt cheap and an hour drive from Vancouver. If that ever happens you can have it there. It really depends on how much money we get from kickstarter. That's what this will all be based on. |
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Post by Pea on Apr 23, 2012 20:23:35 GMT -8
What the fuck is kickstarter?
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Post by Geoff on Apr 23, 2012 20:28:42 GMT -8
What the fuck is kickstarter? It's a website where you pitch an idea, and random people on the internet throw money at you if they like it. Seriously. EVERYTHING is getting money from it recently. Someone wanted like $5,000 to fund a colored lightbulb or something, and he ended up getting hundreds of thousands. If we get enough support, and get the word out, this might work. |
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Post by davers on Apr 23, 2012 20:35:34 GMT -8
This Kickstarter thing sounds like something rich people bet on (a la 'Rat Race').
Rich dude #1 (smoking a cigar): "Look at this guy, he wants $40,000 for biodegradable ski and snowboard wax because the stuff we use now is apparently hurting the enviroment."
Rich dude #2 (with a monacle): "That's absurd! No one would ever buy that!"
#1: "I bet if I gave him $400,000 he would be profitable within 2 years!"
#2: "You're on!" (chortle chortle chortle)
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Post by Geoff on Apr 23, 2012 20:42:00 GMT -8
This Kickstarter thing sounds like something rich people bet on (a la 'Rat Race'). Rich dude #1 (smoking a cigar): "Look at this guy, he wants $40,000 for biodegradable ski and snowboard wax because the stuff we use now is apparently hurting the enviroment." Rich dude #2 (with a monacle): "That's absurd! No one would ever buy that!" #1: "I bet if I gave him $400,000 he would be profitable within 2 years!" #2: "You're on!" (chortle chortle chortle) It's a "pay what you want" model. So some people may give you $5, some may give you $500. It all depends. |
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Post by Cbats on Apr 23, 2012 20:45:39 GMT -8
The main thing I would have no clue at (besides like, everything else) is how do you get bands? Obviously any band with a booking agency would probably be a little out of the budget, and if you are just going to use friends bands then it's pretty much a house party. Getting bands is honestly the easy part. It's not difficult to convince local bands to play for dirt cheap/free. When they have booking agents it gets more complicated but you can still book some great bands for sub 5 grand. What's more difficult is actually setting up the event. Assuming this is an outdoors thing not at a normal venue, you have to scrounge together a stage and sound equipment. Depending on how classy you intend to make this it can end up being incredibly expensive. Furthermore, depending on where the event is being held you might need to deal with sound permits and other local stuff. Even after you've got all of the planning done, advertising an event like this is a huge hassle. You'd think it would be easy to convince people to come to a show but it's often not. Even getting people to come to a free show if its in an unfamiliar area can be really tough. |
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Post by kymess_jr on Apr 23, 2012 21:03:18 GMT -8
Cbats is right, the getting of bands and even most of the sound/light stuff is pretty easy. The hard part is the permits, security and marketing. Depending on how big the event is going to be, and whether or not one of us owned the land it's being held on, a lot of permits would need to be obtained and that's what could really hinder the event.
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Post by davers on Apr 23, 2012 21:06:30 GMT -8
All that other stuff I at least have some sort of idea how to do. I know it costs money and all that, but I can wrap my brain around getting it done. The lineup (to me) sounds all but impossible.
If this was to happen, booking agent bands would be out I'm assuming. Besides getting my friends bands to play, which vary wildly in genre, how do you get other acts? I guess you could email them somewhat directly if they are small and local, but then is there contracts and stuff? And do you just go balls out and email everyone you have heard of and end up with a big mess of bands that have pretty much nothing in common (a stratagy that could work as it might attract the core fans from each act) or do you go for a more cohesive lineup and try to get bands that are a similar style?
I'm sure I'm over-thinking, but the advertising and permits and stages can all be done within various budgets, but the lineup has to be somewhat decent for the budget otherwise no one will come anyway.
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Post by Geoff on Apr 23, 2012 21:11:35 GMT -8
How much do bands usually cost to book? Obviously we need to figure that out before we do any booking.
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Post by kymess_jr on Apr 23, 2012 21:17:01 GMT -8
How much do bands usually cost to book? Obviously we need to figure that out before we do any booking. It really depends on the band, and it can depend on the type of event. One of my friends booked Infected Mushroom to play his farm for a "houseparty" type event a couple of years ago and that cost him $10,000 for the evening, but I think he said they charge more if you're making money off the event. |
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Post by Cbats on Apr 23, 2012 21:26:34 GMT -8
prettypolly.com/artist-search-result.phpThis site is absolutely horrible but if you cut these numbers in half you might have a good estimate. This is for national booking though, if you base your show around local-ish talent or artists who are going to be on tour you can save a lot of money. When I was in college we would throw a 4 act show and spend about 15 grand total on acts.
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Post by Cbats on Apr 23, 2012 21:44:06 GMT -8
best thing I've found on that list:
JAMIE LIDELL Call for pricing. Available for high paying and creative one-offs
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Post by Cbats on Apr 23, 2012 21:44:55 GMT -8
Also it's apparently a bit old
JET 30K - 35K Call for Availability
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Post by Rusty on Apr 23, 2012 21:53:44 GMT -8
Geno, this is a great idea. I love your enthusiasm!
Anything is possible.
The location will be the biggest decision. No body is gonna let you fuck up their property for nothing.
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Post by Fig on Apr 23, 2012 22:24:57 GMT -8
Try and contact Eric Gilbert from Finn Riggins. Boise's Treefort Fest, which was a fucking massive success (all profits went to our awesome public radio station too!), started as him wanting to showcase local talent but it blew up pretty damn quick.
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Post by Fig on Apr 23, 2012 22:27:42 GMT -8
And Treefort was his brainchild, I meant to say. He handled pretty much all the booking i believe, so having a somewhat successful band member doing that aspect of it definitely helps as far as networking, etc. As cbats said, pretty much all the bigger acts at Treefort were touring and he worked it out perfectly.
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Post by davers on Apr 23, 2012 22:42:35 GMT -8
OK I was pondering this while grocery shopping. These are all just my made up opinons and based on zero experience in anything like this.
First thing you do is pick an attendance you want to get. Then you have to find a venue that can hold that many plus a little more in case things go really well. From there you can decide how many stages, what kind of food/drink will be offered and if there is going to be anyone else selling art or whatever.
Then, the lineup. I would say get a headliner that can sell about two thirds of your target sales at a local venue. Fill out the rest of the lineup with bands that could possibly open for that band and your friends bands. Those should all be really cheap and each band would probably draw a few dozen people because they have friends and stuff.
Once you have an idea of the bands playing, you can start to plan stages, sound, and possibly lights. Then there's all the other stuff that has to be done regardless and can be planned at any time after the venue is picked (insurance, permits, all that stuff Cbats said)
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Post by davers on Apr 23, 2012 22:46:35 GMT -8
Based on this Sasquatch spent the cost of 79 full price tickets on Chiddy Bang??? What a waste. I wonder if we found the cost of every band on the lineup what percentage that cost would make up of the entire ticket sales. |
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Post by Cbats on Apr 23, 2012 23:51:25 GMT -8
Based on this Sasquatch spent the cost of 79 full price tickets on Chiddy Bang??? What a waste. I wonder if we found the cost of every band on the lineup what percentage that cost would make up of the entire ticket sales. I do this every year when trying to explain why Radiohead and Pearl Jam won't be playing, it mostly just pisses people off here. |
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