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Post by Lump on Dec 8, 2011 16:59:32 GMT -8
wait. wonk. did you mean coldplay or coldplay? or coldplay? coldplay coldplay coldplay coldplay. COLDPLAY! ohmygod perfect
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Post by Horned Gramma on Dec 8, 2011 18:03:44 GMT -8
thanks ill have to dwnld that. Stream or pay for that shit my friend! Fuckin right.
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Post by davers on Dec 8, 2011 18:27:32 GMT -8
Not to get into a debate about this since I'm heading out in 2 minutes, but why do people think streaming an album from questionable sources (a la grooveshark) is ok but downloading it illegaly for a listen isnt?
I'll admit to downloading albums to try them out if I have no idea what to expect. I could always youtube or grooveshark an album, but then I cant take it anywhere. If after a couple listens I feel like I want to keep listening to it, I buy it. I usually prefer physical CDs, but itunes has gotten a fair amount of my money as well. If I dont like it much, I will keep it on my computer in case I change my mind, but I just wont listen to it.
Anyone think thats wrong? In either case the artist gets my money if I like it and doesnt if I dont.
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Post by know ID yuh on Dec 8, 2011 18:44:14 GMT -8
Not to get into a debate about this since I'm heading out in 2 minutes, but why do people think streaming an album from questionable sources (a la grooveshark) is ok but downloading it illegaly for a listen isnt? I'll admit to downloading albums to try them out if I have no idea what to expect. I could always youtube or grooveshark an album, but then I cant take it anywhere. If after a couple listens I feel like I want to keep listening to it, I buy it. I usually prefer physical CDs, but itunes has gotten a fair amount of my money as well. If I dont like it much, I will keep it on my computer in case I change my mind, but I just wont listen to it. Anyone think thats wrong? In either case the artist gets my money if I like it and doesnt if I dont. This line is about as blury as a pair of glasses with Crisco smeared on the lenses. As a general rule of thumb, do what HG says.
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Post by stakeyjay on Dec 8, 2011 20:28:11 GMT -8
What the fuck? Since when is Fun popular? When they released a single with Panic! at The Disco..
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Post by Blacksmile on Dec 8, 2011 20:31:36 GMT -8
When I think of "downloading" words like Torrent, Napster and Limewire (dated?) come to mind. I do not consider buying an album from iTunes wrong or illegal pillaging. Nor do I find something like Grooveshark out of the question. Why? I don't know. But downloading an album just to avoid buying it, in my eyes, is not ethical.
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Post by Friendly Destroyer on Dec 8, 2011 20:40:31 GMT -8
I could always youtube or grooveshark an album, but then I cant take it anywhere. If I dont like it much, I will keep it on my computer in case I change my mind, but I just wont listen to it. These sentences basically sum up why Groovesharking isn't the same as downloading. I think it's sexually understandable to want to taste test albums, but why should you get the benefit of being able to not just taste it but eat the whole goddamn thing up without paying for it. Not being able to take it with you or have it on your computer to listen to at any given time is the entire point of streaming and why it differs from downloading. You don't own it unless you buy it.
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Post by Friendly Destroyer on Dec 8, 2011 20:43:13 GMT -8
Listen, I'm no angel 100% of the time either, but I'm not gonna fool myself and justify it's not stealing if I download or it's the same as streaming. It's not.
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Post by Geoff on Dec 8, 2011 21:56:02 GMT -8
I'm just poor. If I didn't download anything I wouldn't be listening to any music at all.
Once I get a good job though I'm going to start a vinyl collection.
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Post by misscoley on Dec 8, 2011 22:28:29 GMT -8
I just use Slacker Radio and it basically allows me to listen to what I want, legally, and none of what I don't want. Seems to work well for me.
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Post by Warily on Dec 8, 2011 22:45:14 GMT -8
Coldplay's date in Seattle in April probably crosses them off the list of potential headliners. I have a feeling the bands that are chosen this year will be way out of left field since the most rumored bands have been all but eliminated. This is all I want.
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Post by alex on Dec 9, 2011 8:53:58 GMT -8
Seeing them close out the mainstage at the Gorge would be religious.
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Post by davers on Dec 9, 2011 9:04:43 GMT -8
When I think of "downloading" words like Torrent, Napster and Limewire (dated?) come to mind. I do not consider buying an album from iTunes wrong or illegal pillaging. Nor do I find something like Grooveshark out of the question. Why? I don't know. But downloading an album just to avoid buying it, in my eyes, is not ethical. Fair enough. One of the main reasons I prefer to download and album over streaming is because my clock radio has better speakers than my laptop so I dont really get the full sound unless I throw it on my ipod or burn a CD for the car. I suppose I could plug headphones into my laptop but for some reason I never do this. These sentences basically sum up why Groovesharking isn't the same as downloading. I think it's sexually understandable to want to taste test albums, but why should you get the benefit of being able to not just taste it but eat the whole goddamn thing up without paying for it. Not being able to take it with you or have it on your computer to listen to at any given time is the entire point of streaming and why it differs from downloading. You don't own it unless you buy it. You can listen to entire albums on grooveshark, in order and everything. In most cases I'm pretty sure the actual file you download is exactly the same as the one on grooveshark. I'm not even sure that grooveshark is 'legal' in the sense that the artist or record lable is ok with the songs being on there, so I still dont really see much of a difference between downloading and streaming for a couple listens is much different. I'm not trying to justify downloading, I'm just curious why streaming is generally regarded as fine while downloading is the devil.
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Post by Pea on Dec 9, 2011 9:11:51 GMT -8
Because everyone wants to justify their own free music listening. End of story.
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Post by davers on Dec 9, 2011 13:50:32 GMT -8
Pretty much.
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Post by Horned Gramma on Dec 9, 2011 14:17:05 GMT -8
No. Not pretty much. I hate having these conversations with you, davers, you pointedly ignore the relevant information when its presented.
What Friendly D said was exactly right - the difference is that you can't take it with you, and you can't play it on whatever you want. Including your clock radio or whatever. Streaming on your laptop limits you to crummy little laptop speakers. You can't listen to it on the bus or in your car; you probably can't hook it up to your poopin quads. You are limited, and it is an inconvenience, and that is your motivation to pay for it.
I call thunderous bullshit on anyone who claims to delete an album and purchase a copy when they decide they like it.
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Post by Rusty on Dec 9, 2011 16:17:26 GMT -8
That's what I do HG. I listen, if I like, I buy, then delete the downloaded version. It's not always the same, for artists that have a good back ground of solid albums, and others that I have heard good things about from multiple sources, I just straight up buy. I don't always download before I buy, sometimes just youtube, grooveshark or direct artist streaming. Artists obviously can't care that much about streaming, as a large percentage of the new albums are streamed directly from the band, but I do think downloading and burning a cd is taking it to far, for all the reason you and FD already mentioned.
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Post by PatrickShmatrick on Dec 9, 2011 19:09:59 GMT -8
No. Not pretty much. I hate having these conversations with you, davers, you pointedly ignore the relevant information when its presented. What Friendly D said was exactly right - the difference is that you can't take it with you, and you can't play it on whatever you want. Including your clock radio or whatever. Streaming on your laptop limits you to crummy little laptop speakers. You can't listen to it on the bus or in your car; you probably can't hook it up to your poopin quads. You are limited, and it is an inconvenience, and that is your motivation to pay for it. I call thunderous bullshit on anyone who claims to delete an album and purchase a copy when they decide tjey like it. and you dont think its a matter of time until spotify gets an iphone app, or any streaming music site for that matter?
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Post by Horned Gramma on Dec 9, 2011 19:14:21 GMT -8
No I do not think that. In fact I think that Spotify's days are numbered.
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Post by know ID yuh on Dec 9, 2011 19:15:29 GMT -8
No. Not pretty much. I hate having these conversations with you, davers, you pointedly ignore the relevant information when its presented. What Friendly D said was exactly right - the difference is that you can't take it with you, and you can't play it on whatever you want. Including your clock radio or whatever. Streaming on your laptop limits you to crummy little laptop speakers. You can't listen to it on the bus or in your car; you probably can't hook it up to your poopin quads. You are limited, and it is an inconvenience, and that is your motivation to pay for it. I call thunderous bullshit on anyone who claims to delete an album and purchase a copy when they decide tjey like it. and you dont think its a matter of time until spotify gets an iphone app, or any streaming music site for that matter? YOU CAN'T TAKE A STREAM WITH YOU. DON'T YOU KNOW WHY THEY CALL IT A STREAM?
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