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Post by Dr. Crane on Sept 10, 2014 0:25:42 GMT -8
but seriously fuck that guy.
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Post by Dr. Crane on Sept 10, 2014 0:50:36 GMT -8
Cy Dune - Shake Damaged Bug - Hubba Bubba Bradford Cox - Teenage Circle - Leviatan Watter - This World Swans - To Be Kind Cy Dune - No Recognize
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Post by Horned Gramma on Sept 10, 2014 11:52:48 GMT -8
Seriously do fuck Bono. In the nose.
It's really interesting to me, though, the disparity in overall opinion of U2 between people who became culturally aware in the late 1980s and people who became culturally aware in the early/mid 1990s. Nobody is going to argue that they aren't terrible, because they are terrible. Also insufferable. But U2 in the 1980s was a completely different thing -- just utterly completely fucking different. They had artistic integrity shooting out of their asses. And their material from the 80s was outstanding -- if you can manage to separate it from what they are now, which is damn near impossible anymore. Even for me, let alone for people who didn't experience the wave of culture that was The Joshua Tree.
I get and understand and absolutely agree with the generally accepted opinion of U2 as an institution -- just it's interesting to me that the fact that they were essentially Radiohead is fading from the collective consciousness.
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Post by Horned Gramma on Sept 10, 2014 11:59:23 GMT -8
Actually, let's be honest -- they are still essentially Radiohead. Or rather, Radiohead is essentially U2. Radiohead's fans know just as well as Radiohead does that they have put out their best album (and we can argue about whether it is OK Computer or Kid A another day). They had the initial sense not to try to top/duplicate it, but 'exploring new avenues' quickly devolved into resting on laurels.
U2 went through this exact thing after their milestone (and we can argue about whether it is The Joshua Tree or Achtung Baby another day). Their departure-from-form album (Zooropa) contained all of the seeds of what their worst tendencies would become (same is true of Kid A).
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Post by Cbats on Sept 10, 2014 12:22:08 GMT -8
I'm 100% with you on that first post but you kind of lost me on the second one. I haven't cared about anything Radiohead has done since In Rainbows but that's mainly because they've barely done anything. On a good day, In Rainbows might be my favorite Radiohead album if we're being honest. King of Limbs did absolutely nothing for me but not remotely in the same way that 2000's U2 does nothing for me. U2's past few albums have been actively offensive money grabs designed for mainstream success. I don't think there is any artistic integrity left in that band. I don't necessarily care for the path Radiohead is trying to go down but it at least seems like they're making music for themselves, not for anyone else.
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Post by Horned Gramma on Sept 10, 2014 12:48:39 GMT -8
I should have been more clear about that. I'm talking about Radiohead's BIGGEST BAND IN THE WORLD status, which was handed off to them from U2 (and which Radiohead is in the process of handing off to Arcade Fire). Being the BIGGEST BAND IN THE WORLD creates expectation, and the only half-graceful way of dealing with that expectation is to stop making music that sounds like the music that earned you the title in the first place. Elsewise you will be criticized for being 'stagnant'.
Radiohead still has integrity, absolutely. And U2 absolutely does not. But at their peak, both were the gold standard. Both were the band that all of the other bands were trying desperately to sound like. I guess there were roughly five or six years after Zooropa and before OK Computer where R.E.M. filled the role, which is why radio rock in the early 90s was so jangly.
See what I'm saying?
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Post by Cbats on Sept 10, 2014 13:56:06 GMT -8
I should have been more clear about that. I'm talking about Radiohead's BIGGEST BAND IN THE WORLD status, which was handed off to them from U2 (and which Radiohead is in the process of handing off to Arcade Fire). Being the BIGGEST BAND IN THE WORLD creates expectation, and the only half-graceful way of dealing with that expectation is to stop making music that sounds like the music that earned you the title in the first place. Elsewise you will be criticized for being 'stagnant'. Radiohead still has integrity, absolutely. And U2 absolutely does not. But at their peak, both were the gold standard. Both were the band that all of the other bands were trying desperately to sound like. I guess there were roughly five or six years after Zooropa and before OK Computer where R.E.M. filled the role, which is why radio rock in the early 90s was so jangly. See what I'm saying? Yeah, I agreed with a lot of what you said and this clarification helps a lot. I just thought it was worth clarifying that U2 eventually embraced that label and now makes middle of the road adult alternative while Radiohead pulled away from it. Pretty much everything you said is spot on though. It's a damn shame that U2 butchered their legacy so much. I can still listen to Joshua Tree and earlier albums and enjoy it but their 90's output is just too much for me.
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Post by Horned Gramma on Sept 10, 2014 14:08:02 GMT -8
I'm not as articulate as I usually am today. I'm having weird anxiety. Also I'm a little out of practice.
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Post by jefftrap 3.33 on Sept 10, 2014 15:47:34 GMT -8
SBTRKT - Wonder Where We Land Sampha - Dual EP Kindness - World, You Need a Change of Mind Pusha T - My Name Is My Name Godspeed You! Black Emperor - Slow Riot For New Zero Kanada Godspeed You! Black Emperor - F♯A♯∞ Goldie - Timeless Future Islands - In Evening Air Tricky - Maxinquaye Rustie - Green Language XXYYXX - XXYYXX
I love being in school, so much more time to listen to music.
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Post by Cbats on Sept 10, 2014 17:10:53 GMT -8
I'm not as articulate as I usually am today. I'm having weird anxiety. Also I'm a little out of practice. No worries, I'm glad you wrote what you did.
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Post by rimjobflashmob on Sept 10, 2014 17:55:50 GMT -8
Deelay Ceelay - Thank You Deelay Ceelay - Sunset Drumsets Poozer - Sky Palaces Operators - EP 1 Future Islands - Singles Say Hi - Endless Wonder This Will Destroy You - Another Language Christopher Bissonnette - Essays in Idleness Efterklang - Performing Parades Burning Hearts - Aboa Sleeping Antlerand - Pencils Down Lord Huron - Mighty EP Kishi Bashi - 151a Kishi Bashi - Lighght Archers of Loaf - Icky Mettle Archers of Loaf - Vee Vee St. Vincent - St. Vincent Tycho - Sunrise Projector Tycho - Past is Prologue Neutral Milk Hotel - In the Aeroplane Over the Sea Shakey Graves - Roll the Bones The Philistines Jr. - If a Band Plays in the Woods...? Faded Paper Figures - Relics Cymbals Eat Guitars - LOSE
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Post by Dr. Crane on Sept 10, 2014 18:17:43 GMT -8
Achtung Baby and In Rainbows are two of the most overrated albums of all time.
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Post by Dr. Crane on Sept 10, 2014 18:18:00 GMT -8
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Post by jefftrap 3.33 on Sept 11, 2014 11:14:08 GMT -8
Achtung Baby and In Rainbows are two of the most overrated albums of all time. Hey I agree. Not a huge U2 fan so I can't speak about that too much. I do love In Rainbows but people talk about it like it's one of the best albums of its decade. I might have thought this five years ago but now that I have expanded my taste in music I realize how narrow-minded some Radiohead fanboys can be. I'm sure it's a similar kind of thing with U2.
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Post by Horned Gramma on Sept 11, 2014 14:40:10 GMT -8
Harry Nilsson - A Little Touch of Schmilsson in the Night Harry Nilsson - Knnillssonn Harry Nilsson & John Lennon - Pussycats Radar Brothers - Eight R.E.M. - New Adventures in Hi-Fi R.E.M. - Monster R.E.M. - Collapse Into Now
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Post by Dr. Crane on Sept 11, 2014 18:41:48 GMT -8
Brian Eno - Ambient 1 (Music for Airports) Harold Budd / Brian Eno - Ambient 2 (The Plateaux of Mirror) Brian Eno - Ambient 4 (On Land) Harold Budd / Brian Eno - The Pearl The War on corn chips - Lost in the Dream Circle - Leviatan Circle - Guillotine Excepter - STREAM 75 Excepter - 2013/07/07 Silent Barn Cy Dune - No Recognize Aphex Twin - Windowlicker Tera Melos - Zoo Weather Tera Melos - corn chips to the Dear Youth By the End of Tonight + Tera Melos - Complex Full of Phantoms Tera Melos - Patagonian Rats Tera Melos - X'ed Out
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Post by Dr. Crane on Sept 11, 2014 18:42:36 GMT -8
I'm in the mood for chips today.
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Post by Horned Gramma on Sept 11, 2014 19:31:38 GMT -8
R.E.M. - Green R.E.M. - Document R.E.M. - Automatic for the People R.E.M. - Out of Time The 6ths - Wasps' Nests The 6ths - Hyacinths and Thistles
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Post by rimjobflashmob on Sept 11, 2014 21:53:20 GMT -8
I'm in the mood for chips today. Jalapeño or sea salt & vinegar?
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Post by Dr. Crane on Sept 11, 2014 23:59:03 GMT -8
Tortilla.
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