It has nothing to do with me liking Menomena. I am an advocate of supporting local music. Most of us are here because we don't subscribe to the theory that the radio tells us who we should listen to. We all have our favorite local bands we support in the hopes that they someday make it big. We buy their music, we go see their shows, we tell our friends all about them, we try to catch them live every chance we get. Some nights I pick a random venue to see bands I've never heard of just to show support for local music.
You have spent three years and over 12,000 posts trying to convince people you know what you're talking about. You underestimate how many people will read this, and how many of them trust your opinion. Then you come out and take a cheap shot against a local band I support, a shot that is not only incorrect, but absurd. I don't support bands who suck live. Yes, Menomena's first album was weird, it makes sense you liked it. They are a typical indie rock band now, so it makes sense you don't like them. You hated that show before you even stepped in the venue, that's fine too. But to tell the internet "they suck live" because you don't care for their music anymore is idiotic, and it makes me realize that you don't give a shit about supporting local music at all. You care more about your reputation than theirs.
Talking shit about Soundgarden and Muse is fine. Make fun of the millionaires all you want, I've got no issue with that. But if this is what you're coming with when discussing the little guys, the best way for you to support local music is to never go see local bands. That way you won't try to convince the internet the bands that play the type of music you don't like suck live.
If I went on an internet quest to convince anyone who will listen that Alexis Gideon sucks live, you might understand my point.
The fact is Menomena is an extremely talented group of multi-instrumentalists who are very tight live. If you listen to their albums, there is always five to ten different sounds occurring simultaneously, and they somehow do a decent job of translating that live.
I've seen them about ten times, pre and post Brent, and they most certainly have never "sucked live." The notion that anything they do live actually "sucks" is beyond stupid.
Of course it's a different band without Brent. One third of the band is gone, it won't ever be the same. The remaining members didn't forget how to play their instruments because Brent is no longer there. They are actually enjoying themselves on stage much more now that Brent is gone, because it's well known that the remaining members absolutely despised Brent before the separation.
I understand being upset the guy you like is gone, I know Menomena fans who feel the same way. They don't go around claiming Menomena now sucks live, because they don't pull random shit out of their asses and call it gold.
You were just disappointed that the guy who wrote the song you like five years ago is no longer in the band, and once you realized they weren't going to play that song, you left early to catch the last bus home to avoid paying for a cab.
The support for my claim is that I saw them live and I thought they sucked. It's an opinion, based on experience. They were sloppy. Half of the songs, those complex rhythms that are the essence of Menomena's music were all muddy. And the others were played at half-tempo so that they could get it right.
Now you are completely talking out of your ass to try to justify your comment.
And you are so far from accurate, it's amusing to me.
Looks pretty reasonable but I would switch Atoms for Peace and Blur.
Does the average Coachella goer even know who AfP are? At least everyone knows that "Woo Hoo" song.
The average Coachella goer loves anything Thom Yorke does. It seemed far fetched they could headline Coachella, but I'm more open to that idea than most speculated headliners. Atoms for Peace are a rare get, and L.A. goes bat shit crazy for Thom Yorke. Blur is not a Coachella headliner.
Not gonna lie...I am pretty butthurt about Buck not getting MOTY but Melvin did some amazing things with the A's and I am happy to see him recognized for it.
Yup, one of these manager were going to get screwed, since they were probably the most worthy Manager Of The Year candidates in either league in the last ten years. I'm glad Melvin won, and I feel like he had to manipulate the lineup more than any manager this year, but it sucks Buck had lose.
Again, holy shit on that Blue Jays/Marlins trade. I can speculate loudly that Billy Beane is going to be talking with the Marlins GM regularly over the next couple weeks. He's unsuccessfully tried to pry Stanton away from the Marlins for years. It's time to break the farm to get Stanton. The A's have a plethora of young talent to offer the Marlins, and Stanton will come at a discount if the A's are willing to take on Nolasco's contract. They could also land Yunel Escobar to fill their SS gap.
Tell me (Chud/Gibbons/anyone else who cares), would the Marlins balk at a trade offer of: Stanton/Nolasco/Escobar for Weeks/Reddick/Griffin/Straily/Peacock/lower level prospect(s)?
Great fake, the billing order usually makes most of these fakes laughable, but that one is pretty much spot on. My only complaint would be the Walkmen are billed too high, Rusko is billed too low, and it's extremely unlikely both of Trent's acts play. People are reading too much into his statement that he is preparing music for two bands in 2013. That doesn't mean he's preparing to play them simultaneously.
Whoever made the fake should have included their real name on the bottom line. Who is Frank Price? Must be a DJ or something.
Knowing this year's free agent crop is a pile of turds, I had a tough time guessing why you were so happy to be a Jays fan all of the sudden.
Holy crap. They are getting four of the Marlins five best players.
How it must suck to be a Marlins fan right now. They just got a new stadium this season, and finally started spending money to build a competitive team. Now they've successfully unloaded every verteran from their team in the last three months. Nolasco is next, then their highest paid player will be making 1.4 million.
"Thank you. I spend a lot of time and energy thinking about how music is presented live. Lights in the Sky was probably my favorite live show I've worked on so far. This was a real collaboration between myself, Rob, Roy Bennett, and Moment Factory. We set out to make an experience and I really felt proud to put that on every night. ."
He should feel proud about that show. That shit was amazing.
There were a lot of questionable calls, all of them against the Chiefs. The announcer summed if up at one point with "that call...that was a bad call...I don't agree with that call at all..." in the most depressed voice. The drive that put the Steelers ahead with a few minutes left in regulation (the chiefs were able to tie it afterwards) was kept alive by at least 4 questionable calls.
Not every bad call went against the Chiefs. The first bad call of the night was a phantom holding call against Pittsburgh that negated a 7 yard gain on first down. The announcers never questioned the call, and they never showed a reply, but I re-watched the play 12 times, and there was no holding on the guy they called it on, or any other player. Then they added a 15 yard penalty on top of the bad holding call for "cursing an official." That rule is new to me, and should have been used every other down when the replacements were around. Pittsburgh went from 2nd & 3 at the 30 yard line to 1st & 29 at their 5. The next play was a fumble and the Chiefs had first and goal. I know the refs didn't cause the fumble, but that holding call (plus ref curse) had a huge impact on the game.
There was a holding call on the Chiefs which negated a TD. It wasn't an obvious hold, it didn't have to be called, but it was by definition a hold. The crowd sure didn't like it.
Agreed with Chud, the most unfortunate call was when the Steelers QB clearly threw an incomplete pass on third down, but the refs let the Chiefs pick up the ball and return it for a TD. Then they got a 15 yard team celebration penalty. After reviewing the play, it was obvious it was an incomplete pass, so they reversed the TD, and the Steelers got a first down because of the team celebration penalty. It was really bad the call on the field wasn't initially an incomplete pass, but that's really the Chiefs fault for the group celebration.
By the way, what even constitutes a group celebration? I thought it was more than one person, yet I saw two Chiefs lineman doing a choreographed dance after sacking the QB which included them dancing and kicking each others feet. That's not a group celebration?
There were a few questionable calls near the end of the game, but nothing I thought was too horrid. This game wasn't the reason I mentioned the refs being so shitty lately, it seems to be happening in every game I've watched the last two weeks.
I have bought every one of their records from the same shop on Hawthorne. You could say I'm a fan.
For the record, I am rarely if ever hungover, and I have never had a hangover that has persisted until the time that a show starts. I have never missed a show because of a hangover. Point A.
Point B, weed affects people differently, and while a single toke may be one toke over the line for you, a 'weed coma' is generally not something that I experience.
I may not know the names and personalities of the songwriters in Menomena, but they defiantly suffer from dual songwriter disorder. For every Lennon & McCartney or Flansburgh & Linnell there is a Murdoch & David, Krug & Boeckner or Doss & Hart: pairs of songwriters who have distinct styles that, while arguably are equally great, just do not fucking blend. This is the case with Menomena.
I know that we disagree on 'Evil Bee', we've discussed this. But while the remaining members of Menomena are equally talented musicians, singers and performers, they are not equal songwriters. 'Evil Bee' was just an example. What I liked about Menomena was what Knopf brought to the group -- the crooked, angular songwriting; those sudden changes of mood, tempo and key that reminded me of Beefheart. Whatever and whoever is left is overly concerned with the ponderous mid-tempo indie ballads that I know you are such a sucker for, but it's just not for me. Don't act like I can't tell the difference, and don't even call me out for not knowing their middle names when you can't even tell me which one's Deaner and which one's Gener.
You just showed your cards, and those cards are, "I only like bands when they play the old songs I like.
Although it doesn't apply to Menomena. It is well-documented that I have no love for bands that shoot their babies and bury them out back. of Montreal's refusal to play any material that dates back for more than five years is exactly 50% of the reason that I can't fucking stand them anymore; the Decemberists only manage to ingratiate themselves with me anymore when they dust off 'Oceanside' or 'Odalisque', and I was dead set against Modest Mouse until I saw them play 'Baby Blue Sedan', 'Cowboy Dan', 'Wild Packs of Family Dogs' and 'Dramamine' all in one set.
The difference is those bands can play whatever they want, whereas I'm pretty sure Brent Knopf owns the legal rights to the songs he contributed to Menomena. I don't hold it against them that they don't play the songs that I want to hear, I just don't particularly care about the songs they CAN play.
Six paragraphs which have absolutely nothing to do with the point you are somehow trying to defend, which was, "Menomena sucks live." This isn't a private conversation held between a couple people in a room, this is a thread about the 2013 Sasquatch lineup which is going to be read by potentially hundreds of people, many of whom don't have the patience to comprehend more than three words at a time. People get a lot of their advice about what bands to check out because of hanging out on music message boards, and many don't know anything about Menomena. Some even respect your opinion, no matter how bizarre it can be. And "Menomena sucks live" is what you want them to know.
Menomena isn't a band with a giant tour bus, vacation homes on the beach, and expensive sports cars, this is band who can barely call being a musician a full-time job. This is a band who needs the support of their fans to afford creating music. This is a band who depends on word-of-mouth recommendations, just like every other lesser known band we try to support hoping they someday make it big.
Why do you even have a passion against illegally downloading music? One would guess it's because you feel musicians deserve a couple bucks here and there for creating music for us to enjoy. But now you're going on record basically saying, "Menomena doesn't deserve your money because they suck live. Thinking about going to see a Menomena show? Don't do it, save your loot and stay home and watch sitcoms instead. Thinking about going to see Menomena at Sasquatch? You should instead go watch the guy who twists a nob and pumps his fist because Menomena sucks live. They don't need your money or support. Avoid at all costs. In fact, you shouldn't buy their music either, I'll allow an exception to my rule against illegally downloading music, as long as you're downloading Menomena."
The worst part about your statement that "Menomena sucks live," is that your opinion isn't even based on their live performance. How do they suck live? Did they show up late and leave early? Did they spit beer on the crowd? Was the music out of sync? Were they too drunk to play? No, they are actually fantastic live musicians. You were just disappointed that the guy who wrote the song you like five years ago is no longer in the band, and once you realized they weren't going to play that song, you left early to catch the last bus home to avoid paying for a cab. How is that addressing their live performance in any way?