And fig, good on you for continuing to work with the movement. I am glad to know that not all parts of this are going wrong like it did here. I am a huge supporter of passive resistance and I salute you for doing it right.
Just wanted to throw my two cents in. I, too commend you Fig for standing up to be counted. Non-violent, direct action and actually USING your freedom of speech are a great way to get a message to the powers that be. Lord knows congress doesn't read your letters anymore.
I was involved in forest activism in the pacific northwest in the years after the Biscuit fire when the Bush administration was using "salvage logging" as an excuse to extract up to 3 BILLION board feet of timber from the Siskiyou National Forest. Through direct action, we were able to get our message out through the media, to bring supporters to our cause, to expand judicial action against the timber companies and timber sales and to reduce substantially the dammage done to 500,000 acres of forest including 180,000 acres of the roadless Kalmiopsis wilderness.
In any movement, there are some actions which are very effective and others which are not so effective and can end up having the opposite effects than those intended. For instance, though I'm not involved in any way with Occupy Portland, it seems as though the planned (now defunct) bridge occupation was intended to draw attention to the crumbling infrastructure and to garner attention and tax dollars to support that infrastructure. However, from what I hear from the Portland boardies - though just a small subset of the Portland population - is that the only real effect would have been to sway popular opinion AWAY from the cause. This is not usually recommended (I say with the utmost lack of sarcasm).
In regards to the message (that seems to be lost, though it rings clear as day whenever I speak with occupiers myself). In my limited interaction with Occupy SF, I have found most people within the movement have two main goals: 1. to get the money out of politics, and 2. to hold the banks accountable for their risky behavior. These messages are simple, to the point and are a great "mission statement" of sorts for Occupy. Obviously there are multiple facets to each of these goals, such as limiting private and corporate campaign financing, changing rules on lobbying, reinstating Glass-Steagall, repealing the Graham-Leach-Bliley act of 1999, and putting more extensive rules on the derivatives market (which now exceeds global GDP by more than 10-fold). Nonetheless, the main goals remain the same.
I think the important thing to remember - for Occupiers, their supporters AND their detractors - is that, in general, the media focuses not on the message of the occupiers, but on their ACTIONS. For instance in Oakland, where they had tens of thousands of protesters peacefully observing their right to freedom of speech and a few dozen "anarchist" vandals stealing the spotlight, the media is going to focus on the sensationalist story. The peaceful, well-read, heart and soul of this movement is often drowned out by the overzealous, rebellious idiots who want to "stick it to the man" and to "party because there's, like, a revolution, man."
Well planned, Direct action that speaks to the community at large AND gets your message out clearly and succinctly is the best way to affect change. Best of luck Fig, as well as those members of the community who are inconvenienced by the occupy movement.
Wow. I wasn't expecting that to be so long. Carry on.
I want Snacks to respond to that list and say..."two of these bands will be at Sasquatch" and just set us on a rampage for the next four months, thinking Radiohead and Daft Punk are coming, only to find out we get Mumford and Sons and "Jorney"
Haha, totally. Then to add insult to injury we'll find out that "Jorney" (pronounced YOR-nee) is Finland's #1 Journey cover band
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Post by sagesquatch on Sept 22, 2011 17:11:20 GMT -8
Speaking of trades... I'm always a fan, but I know some people get possessive with their players.
There's a cool feature on ESPN leagues called the "trading block" (under the "my team" tab) whereby you can tell the league how you view players on your team (on the block, untouchable, etc). It's useful because you can let people know what you have available and what your team needs are. I just set up my trading block settings - have a look if you want to make an offer.
Post by sagesquatch on Sept 12, 2011 9:33:51 GMT -8
oh, my bad... let me try that again.
Welcome to The Florin Brute Squad at Rusty Trombones Smack Board InterstateEight (Sep 8 2:59 AM): SAGE WILL LOSE FOR HAVING THE WHITEST-NAMED TEAM IN THE LEAGUE InterstateEight (Sep 8 2:59 AM): "OH HELLO PERCY, I SEE YOU CAUGHT THE BALL" InterstateEight (Sep 8 3:00 AM): "WHY THANK YOU FOR NOTICING PHILIP, I NOTICE YOU HAVE A #@^^*@$3MANCHILD'S FACE"
HAHA... so true! (but I'm winning, so suck it).
You Missed: "Owen, Fancy a round of tennis after the game?" "No Sebastian, Some of us work for a living. Kickers - how do they work?" "Ahmad - I'm fairly certain you're not a member at this establishment."
On the topic of lil Wayne - did anyone listen to the mixtape he released just before The Carter IV dropped? - "Sorry for the Wait" ? SO GOOD! Lyrically he's as quick and stylish as ever.
See, I thought that mixtape sucked too. What are you guys listening to? Go back and listen to Dedication 2, or Drought 3 - how can you think this stuff is just as good?
I agree with you on Da Drought 3. Fucking Epic, and I loved No Celilings. I'm surprised you didn't like Sorry for the wait. I thought it was awesome. "Rollin", "Gucci Gucci", "chunechi's Back", "Marvin's Room", and "Run The World" - all solid.
Post by sagesquatch on Sept 8, 2011 12:40:50 GMT -8
Haven't done this in a while. Here's what's been on my decks as of the last few weeks
Tokimonsta: Culture Dreams EP Yellow Ostritch: The Mistress - I love the song "WHALE"! it makes me happy Daedelus: Tailor Made Lex Land: Were My Sweetheart to go... Gotye - Making Mirrors Landslide: Peak - check out the song "gone today here tomorrow" Com Truise: Galactic Melt Hudson Mohawke: Satin Panthers EP Bibio: Toys EP - check out the song "Chansylvania" Lil Wayne: Sorry for the wait chune-YaRdS: W H O K I L L - also incidentally my favorite artist from the undercard at Outside Lands. GO SEE HER IF YOU GET THE CHANCE!