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Post by davers on Feb 3, 2018 18:00:20 GMT -8
I think that might be the most shocking thing about this lineup to me. There's not a single piece of garbage on the whole thing. It seems like there's usually one or two that we're like "what the fuck? Oh well" about and this year has none of that. It's just solid gold from top to bottom. Sure, there might be a couple that aren't my cup of tea, but there's no Post Malone, no Halsey, no Macklemore, no fucking Diplooooo PEW PEW PEW PEW. All killer, no filler. So does everyone like Tyler or what? I don't really know much about him but I walked by his set and used the porta potties by his stage at Coachella, so I heard about 10 minutes of it and it sounded awful. I didn't know who it was until after I left and checked the schedule. He spent a good chunk of time just saying that he sees Kendal Jenner in the front and just generally being a garbage human. That being said, it was only 10 minutes so I could be convinced he isn't terrible.
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Post by davers on Feb 3, 2018 17:22:56 GMT -8
I can confirm that we're all going to be very happy (+ happier than currently anticipated) on Monday. /Pea-Brain out I don't know how I could possibly be any happier with this lineup than I am, but Challenge Accepted. Post Malone #lateadd
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Post by davers on Feb 3, 2018 16:18:59 GMT -8
I think you are a little out of the loop. The big nap happened in 2010 when they played the napping hour (~5pm, mainstage) and in 2014 we all said Naptional a lot whenever someone complained they were boring. They headlined in 2014 I don't think it would be napping at 1030pm, just sleeping. Oh okay, I am so glad to be in the loop now. I just was there in 2014, and I napped then so I could see the correlation. So is The National attended to more in 2018 then 2014? I tried to get into that album of theirs before 2014, but it has yet to sink in. It really depends. I'm actually kind of baffled how much the National play festivals. They can play multiple nights selling out 3000 person theaters around North America and probably Europe, but they are kind of a niche band. Critics mostly love them, their fans will pay many dollars to see their shows, but I still think if you ask the average radio listener with a passing interest in festivals who they are, they will have no idea. This lineup is very much geared to people who probably like the National. If it sells well, I think it will be better attended than 2014. Just my guess though.
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Post by davers on Feb 3, 2018 15:42:34 GMT -8
It's ok. I didn't get them at first either. It wasn't until the lead up to 2014 that I threw on Trouble Will Find Me with just the right amount of wine in my belly thatv it suddenly clicked for me and I got all the feels. They've been one of my favorite bands ever since. Well if the National gives me an excuse to slap fat bags of wine, then I’m down. Skip to 57 seconds if you don't want to fall asleep before the part where he talks about wine.
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Post by davers on Feb 3, 2018 15:37:27 GMT -8
I’m starting to wonder what really happened during that nap in 2014. I think you are a little out of the loop. The big nap happened in 2010 when they played the napping hour (~5pm, mainstage) and in 2014 we all said Naptional a lot whenever someone complained they were boring. They headlined in 2014 I don't think it would be napping at 1030pm, just sleeping.
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Post by davers on Feb 3, 2018 14:19:13 GMT -8
They still have editors. As a publication they choose to accept that their reviews come from Pitchfork, not from reviewer a or b... as a publication they’ve waffled on that one album by a very significant spread, effectively saying that they had no idea what they were talking about in 1999. In 1999 they were probably just like 8 dudes working from their parents basement. Probably not the most fair comparison to the media juggernaut they are today. It's always kind of been their thing to skewer albums they don't like. It's stupid and elitist, but it's consistent. And hell, even if it is all one cohesive opinion, I sure know my tastes have changed a lot in the last 18 years.
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Post by davers on Feb 3, 2018 13:12:14 GMT -8
All that means is they are fucking posers who don't stand behind their reviews. Or they are individual humans with different tastes and opinions. They don't review by committee, do they? Back when I actually read pitchfork I would see some reviewers criticize the ranking that the bands previous album got (either too high or too low). The only things I know of that they kind of do as a consensus are the year end lists and stuff like that.
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Post by davers on Feb 3, 2018 13:02:15 GMT -8
You literally just hit the quote button, unless you are on some weird app then I don't know. Don't fuck with anything in the "quote author=someone source=something timestamp=numbers" shit. The quote could begin with a square bracket, and then end with another one after the timestamp. The middle part is all the words people typed and then it ends with [ / quote ] without spaces. If you are quoting someone who also had a quote and want to delete one, find the 1 endquote and delete all the way back until you get to the beginning of the quote with all the quote author stuff. Delete that too. TL;DR just don't fuck with the quotes at all. I have no idea what you are doing. Quote button works fine.... it's the quoting from another thread (like i attempted to do here) or quoting to my sig.... copy/pasting never comes through right Whenever I quote across threads I just hit quote in the original thread, copy ALL the words, and then go to the new thread, and push paste in the reply box. I think... I count 80 acts in the leak, weren’t there less than 50 In the initial announcement last year? There are going to be some painful conflicts, overlapping sets are back! Edit: yep seems to work.
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Post by davers on Feb 3, 2018 12:59:45 GMT -8
I've been bouncing all over different message boards, FB pages, and sub-reddits all morning and people are universally applauding this lineup. I'm talking like, selling their Bonnaroo tickets and road tripping to Sasquatch excited. I don't think this lineup will necessarily get the 18-25 crowd out to the Gorge in hordes, but Sasquatch might have lost most of them to Paradiso anyway. This is a lineup that will bring all sorts of merit and respect back to Sasquatch, and certainly one that Zacks can be extremely proud of regardless of sales. I'm just so stupidly happy to see people all over saying wonderful things about my favorite festival again. The thing that has me most excited is now Zach’s can say “hey, people want the festival as curated by me, let me run this shit.” I wonder if they have 2 different lineups waiting, one by jive nation and one by Snacks. Snacks got his buddy to leak his so he can show jive nation the reaction. That being said lineups music festival boards like don't necessarily translate to sales so who knows what's going to happen. Flip a coin Monday and it decides if we get Post Malone or David Byrne?
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Post by davers on Feb 3, 2018 12:57:27 GMT -8
honestly can someone please teach me how to properly quote shit before i go jump off the cliff house You literally just hit the quote button, unless you are on some weird app then I don't know. Don't fuck with anything in the "quote author=someone source=something timestamp=numbers" shit. The quote could begin with a square bracket, and then end with another one after the timestamp. The middle part is all the words people typed and then it ends with [ / quote ] without spaces. If you are quoting someone who also had a quote and want to delete one, find the 1 endquote and delete all the way back until you get to the beginning of the quote with all the quote author stuff. Delete that too. TL;DR just don't fuck with the quotes at all. I have no idea what you are doing.
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Post by davers on Feb 3, 2018 1:06:45 GMT -8
So we're buying this then? Good, I have to work tomorrow and I got in a car accident on the way home (everyone was fine) so I need some distraction. no one hurt or not, i hope you're doing ok man. car accidents are really scary and can shake a person up. hope this leak helped turn your day around Appreciate it. Filling out 2 hours of paperwork (it was a work vehicle) and being totally at fault wasn't fun, but having the totally plausible lineup leak to analyze in excruciating detail definitely helped. I am very stoked on this lineup though so really looking forward to it assuming we haven't been bamboozled again.
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Post by davers on Feb 3, 2018 0:44:13 GMT -8
So we're buying this then? Good, I have to work tomorrow and I got in a car accident on the way home (everyone was fine) so I need some distraction.
I'm having trouble finding reasons to doubt it. It's from a reasonably legit source. It seems reasonable enough that they sent the lineup to media today so they can prepare articles for the Monday release, which obviously isn't going to be at fucking midnight. It's also reasonable some dude at the End started typing up an article before going home for the day and accidentally published it because apparently that is a thing that can happen. There's also nothing on there that I can immediately rule out or even seems all that unlikely. It lacks a lot of EDM, but so do a lot of festivals this year. EDM seems to be sticking mostly to it's own festivals this year. It also has pretty reasonable headliners and seems to have pushed a lot of cash into the midsection of the lineup. Very Sasquatch-esque.
Here's my main question though; who the fuck plays the late night sets? Last year had 6 sets playing later than the headliners, mostly of the dancy/high energy variety. All of them were fairly high on the lineup. Tyler is going to sub, he's too high up there to play a late night. Anderson and his Free Nationals probably will and it will fuck everyone up so hard. After that, what? Vince Staples maybe? Snakehips, What So Not and Jai Wolf all seem to fit, but are fairly low down on the lineup. Someone has to play the other dance tent slots. My absolute dream is Explosions or Slowdive play the Bigfoot against one of these guys. I mean, Tycho played the Bigfoot in 2016?
The other obvious question is, does this sell? My gut tells me no, but the more I think about it the more I think it could be better than the previous couple years. Coachella and Bottlerock are the main competitors right now on the west coast, and they are both pretty pop heavy. Outside Lands doesn't release for another month and is a totally different experience with being in a major city. FYF is kind of in limbo with no official announcement of even dates yet. This lineup goes for a different group of people than Coachella or Bottlerock. Music nerds on the west coast that are unwilling or unable to travel to Europe or Boston Calling could eat this up. People interested in this lineup are likely over 25, thus more likely to have a little extra cash / vacation days. It seems to be snubbing the demo they aimed at last year, because they tried it and it didn't work out. Headliner wise I also bet these top 3 are a hell of a lot cheaper than last years top 3.
So, you may ask yourself, how did we get here?
2013 was a massive success, fast sellout for a pretty high price.
Riding that high made 2014 was the year of excessive greed. The powers that be wanted to cash in on the festivals recent success, and since they couldn't expand capacity they expanded weekends. They didn't have the pull to do a Coachella and keep and entire lineup in the PNW, so they tried to roll the dice with 2 separate lineups, and it flopped. The (RIP) Julysquatch weekend may have aimed too high target age range, and that not that many people were willing to spend July long weekend in the sweltering heat of the Gorge.
2015 was back to 4 days and a single weekend, though with the cost now at $350 for the weekend we were pushing Coachella prices for not a Coachella lineup or experience (I also didnt attend that year so I can't say much).
2016 was an attempt to please everyone. Major Lazer and Disclosure for the kids, The Cure for the oldies, Florence for the pop crowd. This was a huge flop. There are simply too many festivals catering to specific interests now, try to please everyone and you end up pleasing no one. I find it very hard to believe more than 10% of the attendees actually had a passing interest in all 4 headliners, let alone saw them. It was also too expensive for the product. My theory is that Snacks started losing control around here. With 2015 not selling out Live Nation big wigs may have forced a hand or two to book the likes of Major Lazer as a headliner and as a compromise he got to book The Cure.
My theory continues that they blamed the Snacks bands for the poor 2016 sales. The Cure played to an empty hill and were in no way worth their booking fee. Caribou had a 1/3 full tent. Yo La Tengo, Ibeyi, Yeasayer, even Sufjan were pretty under attended. Meanwhile ASAP and Major Lazer (somehow unopposed) had some of the biggest crowds of the weekend. Live Nation execs went full 20-ish with the 2017 lineup. Snacks hardly made a peep about the lineup from what I hear, leading me to believe he had much less control than before. He likely had something to do with the LCD pinch hit though. Anyway from what I understand that didn't work out either.
Leading us to 2018 Snacks may have been given one last shot at the lineup. He went full historical Sasquatch demo on it in a final dice roll. Dollars wise this could work out. More modest (heh heh) headliners mixed with a solid undercard is going to be tempting to older festival goers that feel left behind with the current festival market. It might pull the right people or they may have already hung up their festival boots for good. Those that haven't may already have tickets to Europe. I don't understand why they would sit on this lineup for so long though, forcing people willing to travel to choose Boston Calling instead of waiting a month for a lineup from a festival that had 21 pilots headline last year. The only explanation is the David Byrne booking, allowing him to play Seattle, and allowing those shows to sell out before announcing Sasquatch.
Anyway, that's about it. Thank you for reading the slightly drunk, slightly shook up ramblings of a bored davers.
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Post by davers on Jan 31, 2018 0:38:03 GMT -8
Also now bed for real cause oops it's way later than I thought. My only Sasquatch sleep time was [old board suicide] during Animal Collective in 2010. It was perfect nap weather, like 5pm, and from the hill it was just a bunch of random ambient noise. Other than that I don't know how yall can sleep around 20000 strangers. I sleep way too hard to pass out in public, I will wake up 4 hours later and not know where I am or the basic rules of society if I wake up at a music festival.
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Post by davers on Jan 31, 2018 0:33:12 GMT -8
Goodnight. I am going to put on The Exorcist because I am super sleepy. SO CLOSE to post 3,000 but my real celebration post will be 3030 Deltron 3030 confirmed.
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Post by davers on Jan 31, 2018 0:07:57 GMT -8
I think this was an excellent joke that got missed but I could just be drunk and probably also need sleep. I would maybe prefer Sleep to the National since I just saw the National and Sleep would probably play against some mainstage sub that I don't care about and they were fucking great at FYF.
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Post by davers on Jan 30, 2018 13:49:58 GMT -8
Fuck. Well, at least we might get Explosions in the Sky. There's no way they would have booked both of them anyway. 2012 never4get.
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Post by davers on Jan 29, 2018 19:13:23 GMT -8
This begs two questions: 1. Would they open this run with Sasquatch instead of Prima? 2. Would Firefly really be the only US festival they are playing? Answers: 1. Maybe. They did open their US tour for AM at Sasquatch, so there is something of a precedent there. 2. I wouldn't think so. If it was, you would think Firefly would have bragged about it a bit ("Only US Festival Appearance" on the poster or some such). 1. Agree with maybe. Might be good to shake some rust off before the bigger festival. 2. Probably not. I would bet they have a stage setup that stays in Europe and it doesn't fully make it to Firefly. I bet they play some North American festivals in the Fall. Life is Beautiful for one. Maybe the new Skookum Festival in Vancouver. ACL...
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Post by davers on Jan 29, 2018 19:05:48 GMT -8
lineup be not at midnight, confirmed.I have no other peaformation at this time. Good, that was one of the weirdest things. I have never heard of a festival announcing at midnight, that's basically the least hype time to announce. It's almost like they were trying to hide it. Even though it was worth hiding, that's still bad marketing.
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Post by davers on Jan 29, 2018 17:54:56 GMT -8
Indeed a fantastic show. I love how all of their setlists are different, and according to setlist.fm sometimes they don't exactly stick to the printed one. I am also super jealous that the Seattle show got Millionaire. I'm not sure where my buddy saw it but I guess they cut 3 songs out of their set too. That was my first show of the year. I am craving more live music in a bad way now. According to setlist.fm for Key Arena show: "Note: 'Tangled Up in Plaid' was on the setlist before 'No One Knows'. 'Head Like a Haunted House' & 'Burn the Witch' were on the setlist before 'A Song For the Dead'." (20 songs total) Eugene: "Note: 'Misfit Love', 'Tangled up in Plaid', 'A Song for the Deaf', 'Un-Reborn Again' & 'Head Like a Haunted House' were on the setlist, but not played. 'Make It Wit Chu' and 'Sick, Sick, Sick' were played instead." (19 songs total) Portland: "Note: 'I Sat by the Ocean', 'I Never Came', 'Sick, Sick, Sick', 'You Can't Quit Me Baby', 'Do It Again' and 'Head Like a Haunted House' were on the printed setlist, but not played. 'Domesticated Animals' was not on the printed setlist." (18 songs total) The only stop this year that doesn't have a comment like that was the Vancouver show, where they played 22 songs. Maybe because Josh was pretty high at our show he decided to not call any audibles during the set.
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Post by davers on Jan 28, 2018 22:15:26 GMT -8
It just now occurs to that Sasquatch may have intentionally delayed their lineup announcement until after the Grammys. It would make sense if they do have The National and The War on Drugs booked. Their names will carry a lot more hype now than they did a could weeks ago. Last year they announced 21P and chancey chance the chiggity champ of champion chancellorsy chancey chance the chiggity champ of champion chancellors the chiggity champ of champion chancey chance the chiggity champ of champion chancellorsllors a week or two before they won and it flopped. It makes sense to let the Grammys/media to hype the artists first than to announce first and try to hype them up later. Quoting this here before it gets lost in the shitposting thread because I feel like it might be significant. It is the best reason I have thought of yet for why they are releasing late again this year. Considering all the speculation we've done regarding those two artists in particular, I think this theory moves them into the realm of near certainty TWoD for sure. The National slightly less, but still looking good. How would they know who was going to win a Grammy? What if all their bookings didn't win?
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