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Post by Switch on Mar 15, 2011 19:42:04 GMT -8
YES!
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Post by J. Walter Weatherman on Mar 15, 2011 23:21:49 GMT -8
MR. COOL ICE DOESN'T GO BIG OR GO HOME, HE GOES BIG OR BLOWS UP YOUR HOME.
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Post by stamper on Mar 16, 2011 5:48:28 GMT -8
Yes, my name's floated around before. Actually, the last time it happened, someone was angry, too... You know how your mom uses your full name when you're in trouble as a kid? Well, on the Internet, people use your real name. What weirds me out is that this poster remembers it. With that said, I'd generally prefer that people not refer to me as Nick on the board. I much prefer the nickname I've picked up from the word .* Anyway, the reason the analogy fails is because turning your concept album into a stage musical is not even remotely comparable to licensing your song to a car commercial. One of those things happens once every five years or so, the other happens weekly. One of them is awkward and embarrassing, one of them is not. Or at least, it shouldn't be. This isn't 1999 (or whatever) when it was fashionable to ridicule blink-182 for being "sellouts." I didn't think that people gave a shit anymore. It's become so commonplace that it no longer needs defending, with the possible exception of Against Me! For reason of its routine prevalence alone, it can't be compared to a god damn musical. *Just in case I'm not being clear: If people insist on calling me by my real name, I'll modify their posts. so... we're not allowed to call you Nissan Nick?
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Post by interstateeight on Mar 16, 2011 6:21:13 GMT -8
No, but I definitely see how that could be tempting.
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Post by Horned Gramma on Mar 16, 2011 6:51:54 GMT -8
Or at least, it shouldn't be. This isn't 1999 (or whatever) when it was fashionable to ridicule blink-182 for being "sellouts." I didn't think that people gave a shit anymore. It's become so commonplace that it no longer needs defending, with the possible exception of Against Me! For reason of its routine prevalence alone, it can't be compared to a god damn musical. Bulllllllshit. Selling out is still selling out, nothing has changed. You're still taking your piece of art out of its artistic context and selling it. That's still shameful. And nauseating. Let's go Outback toniiiight...
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Post by Drew on Mar 16, 2011 7:19:16 GMT -8
Oh Jesus here we go again.
I read an interview with Tune-Yards where she said that if she hadn't sold a song to...Toyota or something (I don't remember who) that her new album probably wouldn't have been made because she was too strapped for cash not to work.
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Post by Horned Gramma on Mar 16, 2011 7:25:57 GMT -8
That's not the same thing as Isaac Brock selling his material to break even after a drug binge. They were already very successful by the time 'Gravity Rides Everything' showed up on a car commercial.
Go ahead and like the band, but it's fucking stupid to defend selling out. It is what it is.
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Post by interstateeight on Mar 16, 2011 7:52:50 GMT -8
O: Was licensing your songs to commercials a tough decision?
IB: Figuring out ways to pay the rent isn't really a tough decision. Around the time we did the beer commercial and the shoe commercial, I thought, "Am I compromising my music by doing this?" And I think not. I like keeping the lights on in my house. People who don't have to make their living playing music can bitch about my principles while they spend their parents' money or wash dishes for some asshole. Principles are something that people are a lot better at checking in other people than keeping their own. My rationale behind the beer commercial was, "I like drinking MGD! I like beer probably more than I should, probably more than is healthy." I was hoping I could get a lifetime supply out of the deal, but I guess I'll have to buy it with that big ol' check. (Laughs.)
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Post by Horned Gramma on Mar 16, 2011 7:58:11 GMT -8
What the fuck ever. That commercial hit the airwaves within six months of five consecutive sold-out performances in Portland. Dude has/had budgeting and substance abuse problems.
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Post by StormyPinkness on Mar 16, 2011 8:53:47 GMT -8
"People who don't have to make their living playing music can bitch about my principles while they spend their parents' money or wash dishes for some asshole."
Fuck that. No one has to make their living playing music. That is a choice. And I am not sure why he feels the need to shit on people that don't make their living playing music. There is no shame in washing dishes.
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Post by emptyfox on Mar 16, 2011 9:03:53 GMT -8
I think that there is a difference between selling your music for commercial use in 1999 and 2010-11, albeit not for the same reasons. In '99 file sharing was still in it's infancy and didn't have as big of an effect on the industry at that time. In more recent years, basically the only entities paying musicians for their music are corporations, thus making it more of a necessity to maintain the same or similar earning potential.
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Post by Pea on Mar 16, 2011 9:08:59 GMT -8
EDIT: Nevermind. Staying out of this.
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Post by interstateeight on Mar 16, 2011 10:31:03 GMT -8
"People who don't have to make their living playing music can bitch about my principles while they spend their parents' money or wash dishes for some asshole." Fuck that. No one has to make their living playing music. That is a choice. And I am not sure why he feels the need to shit on people that don't make their living playing music. There is no shame in washing dishes. Eh, I'm not sure that's exactly what he's doing. It's worth remember that Brock has a history of shitty jobs, from cleaning meat trucks with a hose to selling steak knives door to door. I think the point is rather, "Who are you to take an ethical high road on this issue?"
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Post by StormyPinkness on Mar 16, 2011 12:23:16 GMT -8
I just don't appreciate him acting like he has to be doing this. Own up, it is your choice to make. Whether or not he chooses to sell out or feels like that is what he is doing, he should not act like someone is forcing his hand.
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Post by interstateeight on Mar 16, 2011 12:34:14 GMT -8
I just don't appreciate him acting like he has to be doing this. Own up, it is your choice to make. Whether or not he chooses to sell out or feels like that is what he is doing, he should not act like someone is forcing his hand. But own up to what? He's not denying that he licensed his song to this commercial. He explains pretty clearly that he doesn't feel like he's compromising his music. To whom does he owe an apology, or better yet, an explanation?
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Post by StormyPinkness on Mar 16, 2011 12:43:03 GMT -8
This:
"People who don't have to make their living playing music"
He doesn't have to do that at all. If he wants to sell music to a commercial that is fine, he did it. But he seems to imply that he has no other alternative because he must support himself with music. I don't think he owes anyone an apology or an explanation, I just think it is dishonest to act like this is the only venue in which he can support himself.
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Post by Horned Gramma on Mar 16, 2011 12:44:39 GMT -8
My problem is that he's talking bullshit. That commercial aired in 2004, which is the same year that Good News for People Who Love Bad News went platinum. PLATINUM.
Whatever ills the record industry has, they weren't being felt as strongly by artists at the time. He's making excuses and being defensive in that quote, and the aggression in his tone totally puts the lie to his claim that selling his music to Nissan sits just fine with his principles.
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Post by Pea on Mar 16, 2011 13:03:14 GMT -8
HG's Nissan broke down on him.
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Post by evanisovich on Mar 16, 2011 13:07:57 GMT -8
I'm an asshole, and I wash my own dishes. Wait a minute...
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Post by interstateeight on Mar 16, 2011 13:10:05 GMT -8
Okay, I think I see where you guys are coming from now.
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