well back to movies. I love them. Any one see the new true grit? Not only is it Jeff bridges (the Dude) but it is a pretty good remake of a john wayne film that was a little to sappy for my taste. The remake is much more raw and well funny also
keeping on the subject of True Grit... it is really well done! But not sure it is the 'best picture' of 2010. I'm really beginning to think that honor will ultimately go to The Social Network or Inception.
That's just silly, Inception was nothing like Memento.
It was EXACTLY like Memento in that it was a lame, masturbatory exercise in style. Isn't that what I just said?
It's true - without the radical story structure, it wouldn't even be a story. It's just an IDEA.
Do we care about the characters? Not really. Does it ultimately matter what happens? No, but you feel smart once you get there. Christopher Nolan is the M. Night Shyamalan for the 'intellectual crowd'. It's all about the 'A-HA!'. Nobody would accuse M. Night of not having a unique visual style, like Nolan, but he's a terrible, terrible writer -- like Nolan.
Post by ComesWithASword on Jan 11, 2011 16:33:29 GMT -5
I don't think Inception is a masturbatory exercise in style, or that Nolan is a terrible writer. For one, the film is damn entertaining. The action sequences are masterfully done, and each actor is in total control of their performance, making them a treat to watch (though I was/am pretty sick of leo's schtick). Nolan uses the dream story structure for a reason. Essentially, I believe the film is about meta-physics and the like (note: I barely know anything about meta-physics theory, this is just what I'm taking away from it). Coincidences, random association, etc. The film asks us to consider how dreams and other forms of the subconscious have an affect on our own lives, the decisions we make, and they way we see the world/other people.
Yes, Inception is more about IDEAS than it is about the actual story or it's characters. I'll even grant that the film is pretty hollow emotionally, and that I never really cared about leo's character. But it display's a level of technical mastery, and presents us with ideas and asks the audience questions that aren't given in any mainstream hollywood film in a long time. Hell, I'd even say that the philosophies it does try to convey are extremely general. But we've all got to start somewhere, right? No 15 year old kid is going to crack open and finish (or take anything away from) a meta-physics textbook.
Anyways, I haven't seen Inception since the summer so for all I know I'll hate it the next time i see it.
i'm sorry but i can't get on board with this one, Horned. i wish i had the time to really debate this because it absolutely fascinates me that you have dubbed Nolan as both 'a terrible, terrible writer' and the 'M Night Shyamalan for the intellectual crowd.' Neither of which I agree with.
From the undeniable success and widespread critical acclaim of Memento to The Prestige to the new Batman movies to Inception, I think Nolan's illustrated he is more than just an adequate story teller.
And while you use the Robert McKee points of ideas vs story vs structure, I feel you are incorrect in your analysis. While you may deem both films rely on a radical story structure, I feel that they don't. While on the surface they both have unique methods of telling their stories, at the core, both films are perfect/classic examples of what Joseph Campbell calls 'the Hero's Journey'.
Just because you don't really care about the characters doesn't mean others don't. To me, Leonard and Cobb are entirely different characters on two entirely different journeys. The only similarity is that deal with internal struggles to go along with their external. Both of which I found myself heavily invested in.
Furthermore, I see no comparison within story structure, plot construction or visual devices that latch me onto a comparison to M Night Shymalan or even David Fincher - another filmmaker who made a strong career for himself out of having a twisty third act to his films.
on this one, i think its best we agree to disagree.
Last Edit: Jan 11, 2011 17:00:06 GMT -5 by stamper