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Post by Horned Gramma on Mar 2, 2011 9:32:54 GMT -8
I suppose that makes it alright.
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Snorlax
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Post by Snorlax on Mar 2, 2011 9:34:46 GMT -8
But you are right, they WERE boycotting Arizona, I believe, and now they are coming down here, for the money. One reason I dislike AF
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Post by interstateeight on Mar 2, 2011 16:35:58 GMT -8
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Post by Cysquatch on Mar 2, 2011 18:36:19 GMT -8
Damn, System Of A Down and Rammstein within couple of days of each other. If I did go I probably wouldn't be able to go to Sasquatch.
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Post by Geoff on Mar 2, 2011 18:44:41 GMT -8
Damn, System Of A Down and Rammstein within couple of days of each other. If I did go I probably wouldn't be able to go to Sasquatch. I'm goin to both! <3
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Post by Lump on Mar 2, 2011 20:16:16 GMT -8
And what's the deal with the Arizona Boycott? Sorry, Cathy, couldn't help it.
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Post by Lump on Mar 2, 2011 20:22:18 GMT -8
But really, I don't get the boycott.
All your doing not playing shows in Arizona is basically denying Arizona fans who already have to deal with a shitty government also do not get to see a bunch of bands they wish they could see, effectively kicking them while they're down.
I just don't see Arizona officials being like, "ay, you ever done heard 'bout that bright eyes kid? what's his name, conor? damn, wish we could go to his show, but he ain't playin' 'cause of that law we put in effect."
"OH MAN! We need to repeal this law... AND FAST!"
Really, can anyone explain to me why the boycott is a positive thing. I don't mind Bright Eyes that much, but for spearheading this whole thing, I say, "WRONG KID DIED!"
But seriously, if someone can give me a good reason, I would like to hear it. I might just be in the dark, and there might be a really good reason for it.
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Post by StormyPinkness on Mar 3, 2011 8:53:26 GMT -8
I think it is a good thing. One thing I see that I at least hope will happen is that the young people that this music does appeal to will get more involved in actually voting shit like this down. If they have a reason to start paying attention and voting and being aware of the ramifications of a law like this, maybe we can see some change.
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Post by Horned Gramma on Mar 3, 2011 9:03:09 GMT -8
The trouble is that Arizona's constituency, at least for 4-6 months out of the year, consists of a hugely disproportionate number of bluehairs migrating to warmer climates during the winter months, including November for the elections. The same thing happens in Florida -- elderly (and traditionally MUCH more conservative) voters relocate from all over the country and unfairly tip the scales for measures like this one.
So no, the Boycott isn't going to effect the people who voted for the law at all, and with five months out of the year ending up as an Octogenarian Convention, the younger voters are going to be outnumbered anyway.
What I learned in my conversation with Snorlax the other day, though, is that the media in Arizona is stooping to some wildly sensational scare tactics to make the immigration law seem like the only way sweet, innocent young white girls will survive until the weekend, what with all the scary brown drug dealers around.
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Post by interstateeight on Mar 3, 2011 9:21:36 GMT -8
Any boycott works like this: People decide that they don't like something and stop supporting it with one of the few effective measures -- money. Marches and protests serve to draw attention to an issue and to emphasize that the public does not wholly support something. The boycott serves the dual function of (a) allowing a person to walk the talk, and (b) withholding financial encouragement, no matter how small. Here, Arizona is losing money. Obviously, it's not a lot of money. But these artists don't want to go and support this economy. You might not like how effective it is, but it's the band's choice to put their money (gas, food, whatever) and earn their money in states that don't have policies that offend them.
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Post by Lump on Mar 3, 2011 10:06:52 GMT -8
Any boycott works like this: People decide that they don't like something and stop supporting it with one of the few effective measures -- money. Marches and protests serve to draw attention to an issue and to emphasize that the public does not wholly support something. The boycott serves the dual function of (a) allowing a person to walk the talk, and (b) withholding financial encouragement, no matter how small. Here, Arizona is losing money. Obviously, it's not a lot of money. But these artists don't want to go and support this economy. You might not like how effective it is, but it's the band's choice to put their money (gas, food, whatever) and earn their money in states that don't have policies that offend them. I can't imagine with any of the names that are participating the boycott (of the names that I heard, I hadn't really heard any huge acts), I can't imagine these acts really bringing enough money into Arizona's economy to really make any difference at all, and I can't even imagine how much hurting Arizona venues must be feeling. It just seems like the negatives far outweigh the positives here. The concert-goers, venues and the Arizona music industry in general (most of who I'm sure have little to no control over this law) are getting completely fucked over while the officials how have the power to get rid of this law feel it very little, if at all.
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Post by StormyPinkness on Mar 3, 2011 11:00:32 GMT -8
The trouble is that Arizona's constituency, at least for 4-6 months out of the year, consists of a hugely disproportionate number of bluehairs migrating to warmer climates during the winter months, including November for the elections. The same thing happens in Florida -- elderly (and traditionally MUCH more conservative) voters relocate from all over the country and unfairly tip the scales for measures like this one. So no, the Boycott isn't going to effect the people who voted for the law at all, and with five months out of the year ending up as an Octogenarian Convention, the younger voters are going to be outnumbered anyway. Most snowbirds do not have residence in the states they winter in. I lived in Florida and can tell you this firsthand.
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Post by StormyPinkness on Mar 3, 2011 11:03:02 GMT -8
I can't imagine with any of the names that are participating the boycott (of the names that I heard, I hadn't really heard any huge acts), I can't imagine these acts really bringing enough money into Arizona's economy to really make any difference at all, and I can't even imagine how much hurting Arizona venues must be feeling. What about the simple theory of standing up for what you believe in?
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Post by Catherine Sun Chips on Mar 3, 2011 11:16:25 GMT -8
What about the simple theory of standing up for what you believe in? That is so last season.
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Post by stamper on Mar 3, 2011 12:07:19 GMT -8
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Post by J. Walter Weatherman on Mar 3, 2011 13:07:54 GMT -8
Now that its official....
March 15th- Tera Melos/Marny Stern at The Vera Project March 16th- Tera Melos/Marny Stern at Branx (?) in Portland March 17th- The Residents- Wonder Ballroom in Portland March 18th- Recovering. And maybe some of that famous chili...
Yay, Portland trip!
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Post by StormyPinkness on Mar 3, 2011 14:36:21 GMT -8
Very interesting article. “If people weren’t pirating music, it wouldn’t come to this. That is literally step one in this entire situation. As a consumer, I know I’m part of the problem that led to the situation I know deal with as a promoter, but the young generation just feels entitled.”
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Post by Horned Gramma on Mar 3, 2011 14:45:32 GMT -8
^^^
That quote from the article sums up everything I have to say on the issue. Pay for your goddamn music, people. Torrenting 800 albums and then buying tickets to one or two shows doesn't 'even out' like so many people tell themselves.
Great, great article. Something has to be done about this fucking situation, and people taking notice of things like the LCD ticketing debacle are the first steps towards regulation.
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Post by Lump on Mar 3, 2011 20:46:16 GMT -8
I can't imagine with any of the names that are participating the boycott (of the names that I heard, I hadn't really heard any huge acts), I can't imagine these acts really bringing enough money into Arizona's economy to really make any difference at all, and I can't even imagine how much hurting Arizona venues must be feeling. What about the simple theory of standing up for what you believe in? There's gotta be a better way than to do it than THIS! Eh, I'm done with this anyway though, the whole subject has gotten me entirely too depressed.
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Post by know ID yuh on Mar 3, 2011 20:46:40 GMT -8
3/17 Residents 3/19 Destroyer 3/26 Galactic 4/10 Black Joe Lewis & The Honeybears 4/12 Wire 4/15-17 Coachella 4/29 Portugal. The Man 5/2 Menomena 5/4 Battles 5/5 Mogwai 5/13 Ghostland Observatory 5/15 Rammstein 5/18 Man Man 5/27-30 Sasquatch 6/8 Builders & The Butchers 6/9 Builders & The Butchers 6/21 Okkervil River/Titus Andronicus
A bunch of probables, and maybes, but above are my definites.
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