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Post by HecticDialectic on Apr 28, 2011 11:12:16 GMT -8
Zombies vs Panthers?
It really all depends on whether the panthers are themselves capable of becoming zombies, and of course on whether we are talking about fast feral zombies or the slow shambling variety.
I really do think more movies should have zombie animals though, especially zombie dinosaurs. Unstoppable.
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Post by stamper on Apr 28, 2011 11:15:26 GMT -8
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Post by Catherine Sun Chips on Apr 28, 2011 11:18:05 GMT -8
How about some really slutty zombies vs. Porno panthers?
kidding.
I realize I set myself up for a "swing and a miss" here.
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Post by Space_Suitor on Apr 28, 2011 11:19:09 GMT -8
Zombies vs Panthers? It really all depends on whether the panthers are themselves capable of becoming zombies, and of course on whether we are talking about fast feral zombies or the slow shambling variety. I really do think more movies should have zombie animals though, especially zombie dinosaurs. Unstoppable. Movie idea: Dinosaurs become zombies, eventually die out. Millions of years later their bones have turned into oil. The oil is extracted from the ground and refined into gasoline, and suddenly machines start becoming infected. Zombie cars!
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Post by Horned Gramma on Apr 28, 2011 11:20:24 GMT -8
Okay, hey doofus. Truce. These guys will tell you I get pissy whenever there is a crop of noobs, and then after a while everyone is friends again. Fest us approaching, time is short, I an fast-tracking the process. Hugs.
K?
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Post by Horned Gramma on Apr 28, 2011 11:21:35 GMT -8
Fucking. Auto. Correct.
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Post by StormyPinkness on Apr 28, 2011 11:23:16 GMT -8
I an excited for Fest us too!
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Post by HecticDialectic on Apr 28, 2011 11:26:23 GMT -8
Brilliant movie.
And it's fine HG, I'm not butthurt nor have I been involved in hurling around insults. For your part you've been annoying but civil as well, and I"m fine with that- I don't expect everyone to agree about a contentious issue, I just expect when called out on said issue my own arguments will be greeted with substantive replies rather than "you're an idiot".
A.
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Post by stamper on Apr 28, 2011 11:30:43 GMT -8
you were being an idiot for making that insulting and sexist .gif your avatar. it wasn't funny nor did anyone find it remotely cute. surely you can understand and appreciate why people have an less-than-pleased impression of you, no?
no reply necessary. just nod your head and move on.
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Post by Friendly Destroyer on Apr 28, 2011 11:45:26 GMT -8
I am just entirely unsympathetic to blanket statements which lack any qualification. Sorry man, I didn't mean to make you have to use your brain to figure out what on earth I could have been talking about. I will be sure to explore evey nook and cranny in order to eliminate all fringe elements of any topic in order for you to make sense of what is going on. That was the last one. Now, talking time. I guess the gap that I feel needs bridging in your definition of Objectification is that Objectification isn't limited to extreme cases where women are doing porn as a last result or worse. You aren't wrong in saying that it is often a consensual choice in the porn industry. You are just missing the entire Socialization aspect of the issue. These aspects explore the side of why for instance, you as a new member in a community, where you know women post on, would feel totally comfortable to post a gif of a girl getting her ass spanked. And lets be honest for a second, not in a loving way, not in a couples way, but in a "Check out that fucking ass" way. I really don't mean to say this to pick on you. Truthfully I don't believe your intentions were to insult the women and others on the board. Many males find themselves in the same position. Again, the idea of objectfication goes far beyond a simple definition of "matters being out of ones control". The women that are consensually going into the porn industry are not mavericks who get to call the shots. They have unfortunately been convinced that this is sexy or this is okay, but really it is only sexy or okay for the intended audience (who is overwhelmingly male)as long as she does not stray outside of the perameters of the male porn fantasy. The commonality of women using their bodies to fullful male ordered fantasies (in porn, movies, magazines, music, ect...) has unfortunately lead to both men and woman thinking this simply is sexuality. As in nature taking its course. People fail to realize that this is simply sexuality expressed from a male point of view, not sexuality in its raw untampered form. So if sexuality in our media is almost 100% driven from a male point of view, it is not equal and thus results in woman feeling the pressure in needing to pander to the male defined definition of sexuality rather than their own. Or better a common sexuality that does not demean one sex or the other. This is the objectification women in general feel from mainstream porn. The more it is reinforced doesn't make it less objectifying, it simply reins in the limited scope of how they are expected to act. The worst part is that there is no silver lining here, if a women trys to go against these expected norms she is not met with overwhelming respect by the masses (workplace, ect...), instead they are discriminated against and called prude, frigid, a bitch and worse. There are social penalties for going against this. That is a shitty thing to ever have to feel and I think you would agree it is EVEN out of their control when you take into account the idea of socialization.
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Post by Switch on Apr 28, 2011 11:52:08 GMT -8
I an excited for Fest us too!
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Post by Catherine Sun Chips on Apr 28, 2011 11:53:55 GMT -8
I am just entirely unsympathetic to blanket statements which lack any qualification. Sorry man, I didn't mean to make you have to use your brain to figure out what on earth I could have been talking about. I will be sure to explore evey nook and cranny in order to eliminate all fringe elements of any topic in order for you to make sense of what is going on. That was the last one. Now, talking time. I guess the gap that I feel needs bridging in your definition of Objectification is that Objectification isn't limited to extreme cases where women are doing porn as a last result or worse. You aren't wrong in saying that it is often a consensual choice in the porn industry. You are just missing the entire Socialization aspect of the issue. These aspects explore the side of why for instance, you as a new member in a community, where you know women post on, would feel totally comfortable to post a gif of a girl getting her ass spanked. And lets be honest for a second, not in a loving way, not in a couples way, but in a "Check out that fucking ass" way. I really don't mean to say this to pick on you. Truthfully I don't believe your intentions were to insult the women and others on the board. Many males find themselves in the same position. Again, the idea of objectfication goes far beyond a simple definition of "matters being out of ones control". The women that are consensually going into the porn industry are not mavericks who get to call the shots. They have unfortunately been convinced that this is sexy or this is okay, but really it is only sexy or okay for the intended audience (who is overwhelmingly male)as long as she does not stray outside of the perameters of the male porn fantasy. The commonality of women using their bodies to fullful male ordered fantasies (in porn, movies, magazines, music, ect...) has unfortunately lead to both men and woman thinking this simply is sexuality. As in nature taking its course. People fail to realize that this is simply sexuality expressed from a male point of view, not sexuality in its raw intampered form. So if sexuality in our media is almost 100% driven from a male point of view, it is not equal and thus results in woman feeling the pressure in needing to pander to the male defined definition of sexuality rather than their own. Or better a common sexuality that does not demean one sex or the other. This is the objectification women in general feel from mainstream porn. The more it is reinforced doesn't make it less objectifying, it simply reins in the limited scope of how they are expected to act. The worse part is that there is no silver lining here, if a women trys to go against these expected norms she is not met with overwhelming respect by the masses (workplace, ect...), instead they are discriminated against and called prude, frigid, a bitch and worse. There are social penalties for going against this. That is a shitty thing to ever have to feel and I think you would agree it is EVEN out of their control when you take into account the idea of socialization. A+
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Post by pvmtchiic on Apr 28, 2011 11:57:57 GMT -8
Round of applause for Friendly D.
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Post by StormyPinkness on Apr 28, 2011 11:58:06 GMT -8
The worse part is that there is no silver lining here, if a women trys to go against these expected norms she is not met with overwhelming respect by the masses (workplace, ect...), instead they are discriminated against and called prude, frigid, a bitch and worse. There are social penalties for going against this. That is a shitty thing to ever have to feel and I think you would agree it is EVEN out of their control when you take into account the idea of socialization. A+ to all but especially this.
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Post by HecticDialectic on Apr 28, 2011 12:00:58 GMT -8
I'd say that the idea of socialization is a tricky one, but god knows that word doesn't go over well here.
The problem is that there is no such thing as sexual roles without an overarching societal influence- we just don't know what really is unadulterated sexuality- there will always be adulteration via culture.
Of course, one could also make the rather plain point that females are remarkably endowed with obvious flagrant symbols of their sexual fertility which signal nothing about their underlying personhood and which men have been shaped for our entire history to latch onto. That portion of the equation is not a moral one- it is fact, and men have at least 1 similar adornment (our incredibly large penis (by primate standards)).
In any case, I'm quite happy with at truce being called and respect your point that socialization is important- I still think the greatest practical evil of pornography is in people who cannot delineate agreed upon acts from real world situations, much like the inability to discriminate movie violence from real violence is potentially problematic (depending on which side of that very lengthy debate you follow). It seems few people in this thread however have any real interest in debating points in an intelligent way, so as I mooted before, if you'd like to continue this conversation via PM i'd be more than willing.
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Post by Space_Suitor on Apr 28, 2011 12:02:19 GMT -8
I wonder what porn would be like if it had originated as a female-driven market.
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Post by stamper on Apr 28, 2011 12:07:15 GMT -8
just let it go, brah.
i swear this is just like that scene in My Cousin Vinny where Joe Pesci just doesn't get it. All the has to do is say Guilty or Not Guilty - but instead he keeps on going and going and going until he's ultimately found in contempt of court.
Vinny: My clients were caught completely by surprise. They thought they were getting arrested for shoplifting a can of tuna. Judge Haller: What are you telling me? That they plead not guilty? Vinny: No. I'm just trying to explain. Judge Haller: I don't want to hear explanations. The state of Alabama has a procedure. And that procedure is to have an arraignment. Are we clear on this? Vinny: Yes, but there seems to be a great deal of confusion here. You see, my clients-- Judge Haller: Uh, Mr. Gambini? (motions for him to approach the bench) All I ask from you is a very simple answer to a very simple question. There are only two ways to answer it: guilty or not guilty. Vinny: But your honor, my clients didn't do anything. Judge Haller: Once again, the communication process is broken down. It appears to me that you want to skip the arraignment process, go directly to trial, skip that, and get a dismissal. Well, I'm not about to revamp the entire judicial process just because you find yourself in the unique position of defending clients who say they didn't do it. The next words out of your mouth better be "guilty" or "not guilty." I don't want to hear commentary, argument, or opinion. If I hear anything other than "guilty" or "not guilty", you'll be in contempt. I don't even want to hear you clear your throat. Now, (enunciating) how do your clients plead? Vinny: (enunciating) I think I get the point. Judge Haller: No, I don't think you do. You're now in contempt of court. Would you like to go for two counts of contempt? Vinny: Not guilty. Judge Haller: Thank you
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Post by StormyPinkness on Apr 28, 2011 12:08:26 GMT -8
Of course, one could also make the rather plain point that females are remarkably endowed with obvious flagrant symbols of their sexual fertility which signal nothing about their underlying personhood and which men have been shaped for our entire history to latch onto. That portion of the equation is not a moral one- it is fact, and men have at least 1 similar adornment (our incredibly large penis (by primate standards)). What are you trying to say with this point? Are you serious, because several people have made totally valid points. I am not going to keep doing this but I am truly curious as to your point and I just think it is disrespectful to say people are not interested in debating in an intelligent way because they have.
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Post by HecticDialectic on Apr 28, 2011 12:14:41 GMT -8
The point of the above is that there are likely very real reasons we see the patterns of behavior that we do, the most obvious being that evolution produces traits which are signals of fertility or sexual ornaments with no other functional benefits- i.e. things that men (and women) can both latch onto as convenient ways to objectify each other. None of these traits have anything to do with our personalities, but are nonetheless important cues for things like mating value, which as advanced as we like to consider ourselves is still what drives us forward.
Men are also more likely to seek multiple matings, and this, because it is so prevalent in nearly every animal, cannot be explained as a peculiarity of our socialization.
Stormy, some people did at first attempt to make points- if you move back the last few pages however whenever I made a point it was greeted almost entirely with personal attacks. I understand people get riled up in discussions like this, especially on the internet, but it's no reason to make it personal.
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Post by HecticDialectic on Apr 28, 2011 12:19:40 GMT -8
And yes, terribly close to being accused of committing the naturalistic fallacy
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