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Post by rüstü on Aug 22, 2013 21:43:13 GMT -8
as fucking talented as Jack White is on guitar, I could give literally zero shits about his output. Gartner is a very talented producer as well as a very talented DJ, but I could give literally zero shits about his output too. I still respect the hell out of both of them. And for the record, this is exactly how I feel about both of them as well. I'm not trying to defend Wolfgang or anything, just the idea that tastes can (and should) dictate what is important to someone more than an artist's reputation. To think otherwise is 100% elitism.
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Post by rimjobflashmob on Aug 22, 2013 21:44:48 GMT -8
In 100 years people will remember the Beatles. In 50 years nobody's gonna fucking remember Nine Inch Nails. You're insane. That is total bullshit, and you know it. Tell me why I'm wrong.
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Post by Fig on Aug 22, 2013 21:46:20 GMT -8
0 qualms about skipping Jack White for Wolfgang.
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Post by rimjobflashmob on Aug 22, 2013 21:47:09 GMT -8
0 qualms about skipping Jack White for Wolfgang.
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Post by emptyfox on Aug 22, 2013 22:02:07 GMT -8
I knew you'd ask. I was already working on an edit. His first album came out 24 fucking years ago, and is considered a classic of that era by many publications (whether you choose to let that fact give weight to the argument is up to you). The Fragile, released 10 years later is a triumph of that era, and redefined what he was able to do and be as a performer and artist. The Downward Spiral is on RS's list of the 500 Greatest Albums of all time (whether you choose to let that to give weight to the argument is also up to you). There is no arguing that the man influenced the face of that era of rock 'n' roll in a way not many from the 90's did. David Bowie compared Reznor's impact to that of The Velvet Underground. That alone is enough to say he won't be forgotten. Beyond that, consider all of the music that flat out wouldn't exist today if it weren't for that influence. If that's not enough for you, take a gander at this article. - www.stereogum.com/1208041/deconstructing-trent-reznors-legacy/top-stories/lead-story/Here's an excerpt -
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Post by Horned Gramma on Aug 22, 2013 22:02:40 GMT -8
So basically what you're saying, Gramma, is "you're wrong, your opinion is worthless, and you are unintelligent" to anyone who doesn't care much for rock music and prefers electronic music? The very notion of that is pretty insulting. I need to stop talking on this thread. This type of inane argument about people's preferences is the type of stuff that is soooooo pointless to discuss on the internet. That's not what I'm saying at all, dude. Know what I AM saying, though? Disco is dead. Punk is dead. Reggae is dead. Jazz is dead. EDM is fucking dying. Dig on what you dig on, man, but they don't make concert films about Wolfgang Gartner.
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Post by emptyfox on Aug 22, 2013 22:04:10 GMT -8
So basically what you're saying, Gramma, is "you're wrong, your opinion is worthless, and you are unintelligent" to anyone who doesn't care much for rock music and prefers electronic music? The very notion of that is pretty insulting. I need to stop talking on this thread. This type of inane argument about people's preferences is the type of stuff that is soooooo pointless to discuss on the internet. That's not what I'm saying at all, dude. Know what I AM saying, though? Disco is dead. Punk is dead. Reggae is dead. Jazz is dead. EDM is fucking dying. Dig on what you dig on, man, but they don't make concert films about Wolfgang Gartner. People have been saying this for 20 years. Will it go back underground again? You bet, but it's not going anywhere.
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Post by Horned Gramma on Aug 22, 2013 22:07:17 GMT -8
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Post by Horned Gramma on Aug 22, 2013 22:09:20 GMT -8
Jesus, if I'm having this much trouble explaining to Generation Z why Nine Inch Nails are more relevant than DJ Skrillwax & the Wads, I don't know why I think a Mystery Men reference is going to help anything. I'm going to bed.
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Post by Professor Pancakes on Aug 22, 2013 22:09:55 GMT -8
Popular tastes come and go, but no music ever really dies. Whether its beating an animal hide drum or programming a drum machine, music is music.
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Post by emptyfox on Aug 22, 2013 22:12:42 GMT -8
I need to stop talking on this thread. This type of inane argument about people's preferences is the type of stuff that is soooooo pointless to discuss on the internet. This is probably the most interesting conversation to take place on this board in the last 3 years.
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Post by Jefferin Jeffotash on Aug 22, 2013 22:13:13 GMT -8
THE MUSIC IS FEELS AND AINT NOBODY GOING TO TAKE MY FEELS....
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Post by rimjobflashmob on Aug 22, 2013 22:15:28 GMT -8
I knew you'd ask. I was already working on an edit. His first album came out 24 fucking years ago, and is considered a classic of that era by many publications (whether you choose to give weight to the argument is up to you). The Fragile, released 10 years later is a triumph of that era, and redefined what he was able to do and be as a performer and artist. The Downward Spiral is on RS's list of the 500 Greatest Albums of all time (whether you choose to give weight to the argument is also up to you). There is no arguing that the man influenced the face of that era of rock 'n' roll in a way not many from the 90's did. David Bowie compared Reznor's impact to that of The Velvet Underground. That alone is enough to say he won't be forgotten. Beyond that, consider all of the music that flat out wouldn't exist today if it weren't for that influence. If that's not enough for you, take a gander at this article. - www.stereogum.com/1208041/deconstructing-trent-reznors-legacy/top-stories/lead-story/Here's an excerpt - I really appreciate this. Thank you. But (amending my original statement) is there any evidence that he'll be remembered by anyone aside from fans and music scholars? NIN is a huge draw, but not nearly the level of household name that The Beatles command, nor any of their contemporaries. I just don't think he has the culture-spanning appeal that (seemingly) everyone on this board is postulating.
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Post by rimjobflashmob on Aug 22, 2013 22:17:03 GMT -8
Jesus, if I'm having this much trouble explaining to Generation Z why Nine Inch Nails are more relevant than DJ Skrillwax & the Wads, I don't know why I think a Mystery Men reference is going to help anything. I'm going to bed. Were we talking about relevance, or personal preference?
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Post by rimjobflashmob on Aug 22, 2013 22:17:41 GMT -8
Oh wait, fox and I are discussing relevance. BUT YOU AND RUSTUUU WEREN'T SO MYYEEEEHHHHHH
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Post by Jefferin Jeffotash on Aug 22, 2013 22:18:02 GMT -8
Are we still talking about the guys who Johnny Cash covered that one time?
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Post by Horned Gramma on Aug 22, 2013 22:18:14 GMT -8
Don't ever compare anyone to the Beatles. There's no comparison. In terms of enduring significance, though, compare them to Nirvana. At least.
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Post by rimjobflashmob on Aug 22, 2013 22:21:21 GMT -8
Don't ever compare anyone to the Beatles. There's no comparison. In terms of enduring significance, though, compare them to Nirvana. At least. Dude. I'd go see something that amused me more at this point over Nine Inch Nails, but that's because I've fucking seen them. In spite of the fact that I literally haven't listened to a single NIN album all the way through since Pretty Hate Machine. I can't stand their music, but if you're going to miss the opportunity to see them just once -- especially when that's where 75% of your ticket price went in the first place -- then basically you're just too young to know better. BREAK IT DOWN: When Paul McCartney plays a festival, there are people at other stages watching, what, like fucking of Montreal or something. There are people at other stages when the single most important living Dr. Garbanzoure in rock history is playing half a mile away. Your opinion of the Beatles doesn't mean a god damn thing when you're being that fucking ignorant of the culture that you are pretending to participate in.
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Post by emptyfox on Aug 22, 2013 22:25:15 GMT -8
Yes, exactly. Are they the Beatles? No.
Let's consider for a second Bowie's comparison of Reznor to The Velvet Underground. They never reached anywhere near the level of acclaim and widespread praise that the Beatles did, but in the musical landscape they're still intensely important to everything that came after.
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Post by Cbats on Aug 22, 2013 22:27:47 GMT -8
It's nice to have a lineup prediction thread where people are Dr. Garbanzohting and it's not because I'm saying that pearl jam will never play Sasquatch. It's still weird that we've suddenly gone back like three years in time to when everyone blew up at perceived slights on here.
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