They're one in the same. Most will remember Reznor for Nine Inch Nails, and the sphere of influence that project has/had.
Does your ignorance of the fact that he toils away recording these things and fucking around with knobs in a dark room for months and years on end on his own really make a difference as to the kind of influence and lasting legacy the project and artist have left?
In terms of cultural impact, I'd say so. If I ask someone about Trent Reznor they say "oh the dude from NIN? They're whatever" the vast majority of the time. I don't think NIN has nearly the fanbase to justify claims of cultural impact on a massive scale. For those who follow the music industry, Reznor is a household name, albeit one mentioned casually in passing. In my experience, the only people who worship him as a deity / are able to quantify his affect on the music industry are the scholars and the superfans, which, while important, doesn't scream "generation-defining artist" to me.
I'll leave you with this for the night, because I'm driving myself crazy thinking about this. I'll come back tomorrow.
The real inheritors of Reznor’s legacy aren’t just the groups that follow his musical example, but those that echo his lyrical sentiment. The obvious choices, the Knife and its component parts, Oni Ayhun and Fever Ray, might agree with this sentiment — Olof Dreijer remixed “God Given” on Y34RZ3R0R3M1X3D. The brooding, taboo sexuality and chain-of-communication lyrics in “Pass This On” are pure Reznor. Crystal Castles frequently out-noise Nine Inch Nails while screaming paranoid tirades like “Repeat every word that you say to me / They put you to use or put you to sleep” (from “Pap Smear”). Even NIN collaborator El-P brought out his tinfoil hat on 2012′s Cancer 4 Cure.
In my experience, the only people who worship him as a deity / are able to quantify his affect on the music industry are the scholars and the superfans, which, while important, doesn't scream "generation-defining artist" to me.
See also: people who were 16 in 1994, i.e. myself. In terms of cultural influence, I don't think anyone here is claiming that they/he have had the sort of "generation defining" influence of say The Beatles, Nirvana, or even a Madonna. But, rather, that they/he are an important part of music and have been pioneers in music and live performance, even if it is mostly recognized by "scholars and superfans". For better or worse, pretty much the entire emo/scene style, in terms of both music and fashion (for lack of a better word) can be directly traced to Reznor, And while many electronic groups since (see: pretty much the entire Industrial music genre) have tried to emulate his style, none have had his level of success. NIN's exact place in the musical history books 100 years from now has yet to be written, but I would be willing to bet that they will get a bigger chapter than whoever is (theoretically) playing the Bigfoot stage during their (now confirmed) headlining slot on the mainstage. I completely understand that you don't like them and I even respect your choice to watch someone else while they play, but to completely dismiss an artist who has had such an influence on so many lives just because you don't like his music just doesn't make sense.
I still feel the need to defend electronic music as a legitimate genre that isn't a fad as Gramma insists. To say it's a fad that will go away is dismissive of the fact that people were saying that 20 years ago and it's only gotten steadily more and more popular in that time. I understand that in our American culture it's still a pretty small sect of the community that are interested in it, but that's just because we are lagging behind in that area as a country. Go visit anywhere in Europe and you'll see that electronic music has been and continues to be on an equal plane when compared to rock or pop music nowadays.
I mean, let's look at NIN for example. You can't claim that NIN/Reznor are crucially important to the music scene today and then claim that electronic music is a fad, because guess what? Trent makes electronic music. He translates it to a live show that becomes something different than a DJ set obviously, but everything he does is based heavily in a subgenre of electronic music. And you know what? If Reznor was playing a DJ set, I would be there in a heartbeat, and I cannot say the same about a NIN show. That's more reflective of my tastes than of anything else, but it's true. I am at heart a music fan with a deep knowledge of music production and seeing a DJ set by someone revered for their tastes in music pleases me to my core.
Post by Professor Pancakes on Aug 23, 2013 9:26:59 GMT -5
To reiterate Rustuuuuuu's point (and perhaps give further evidence why fans of electronic music should at least give the show a glance for a minute) for the first part of their current show, all five members of the band play drum machines and sequencers exclusively, playing both new material which was originally produced electronically and recreating several classic tracks. Electronic is music just that: music. I don't think anyone here would argue otherwise. John Talabot taught me that lesson when I watched him play live even though I wasn't a fan of his albums.
Fair enough. I'm not trying to say that there's nothing at a NIN show that interests me, far from it actually. I recognize that he's a very talented dude and their live shows are legendary, and I'd probably really enjoy seeing them work simply for the technical aspect of what they do. What I'm REALLY trying to say is that musical preference dictates what I would be seeing in that hypothetical situation. There is no black and white, no "X person is very influential and puts on a great show, so you MUST see him even if you don't enjoy the music very much". Because of Reznor's rep I would of course seriously consider spending a least some time watching his show, but if, say, Jon Talabot were playing at the same time, I would be at Talabot. Not a single doubt in my mind. That's because his album is the album I've listened to most in the last 2 years, and he is also known for a legendary live show in his own right. It's just more important to me, and no amount of fame or notoriety for being influential can change that.
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I would have to say that Trent Reznor has definitly influenced the music that arists such as Jon Talabot make today. rustuu, have you listened to Ghosts by chance? It is a weird collection of experimental sounds. I particulary enjoyed when he played some of these songs live, and brought out different types of instruments such as Xylophones.
I guess I should chime in on this dj vs live instruments discussion, since I'm probably one of the biggest fans of electronic music here. I say that because I am the only one that has posted in the EDM thread for the last year or so. First of all I have to wonder how many good dj sets Gramma has sat through, and how receptive Gramma is to the music. A good dj will take you on a musical journey that you will get lost in. It really is an art. It is more difficult for a dj to take you on a journey with a 45-60 minute festival slot. Djs like Markus Schulz can take that long to set the mood before he takes you down the rabbit hole as they say. Unfortunately there are many djs out there that don't really dj. They just play a set of club bangers. The same bangers as the other cookie cutter djs play. That is why it is sometimes difficult to argue the credibility of dj culture. You really have to experience a great dj in action to know what they can do or how it makes you feel. Since I have been going to so many dance festivals, I have grown a little warry of the 1 hour festival sets, and it would be hard for me to miss any decent live act for that. There may be some exceptions, but they aren't the kind of dj that gets booked by Sasquatch anyway. The great thing is if there is a boring band on the other stages the dance tent is always there to fall back on.
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Speaking of incredible DJ sets, I just won a pair of VIP passes to Kaleidoscope music festival this weekend. DJ Shadow is playing and it'd be basically a lifelong dream come true to see him. That guy is the epitome of 'amazing DJ' that Cysquatch is talking about. Unfortunately, I have to work both days and can't go so I'm giving the passes to a friend.
I am well aware that I'm the luckiest/most attentive to contests person alive. This is the third time in the past year I've won a pair of festival passes, and probably about the 10th time I've won tickets to something total. It's been a good year for free shows!
(obligatory DJ Shadow mix) https%3A//soundcloud.com/djshadow/all-basses-covered-the
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