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Post by Horned Gramma on May 19, 2013 12:53:19 GMT -8
Face value is $330. THAT is the end of discussion.
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Post by StormyPinkness on May 19, 2013 13:19:39 GMT -8
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Post by kymess_jr on May 19, 2013 16:28:08 GMT -8
Face value is $330. THAT is the end of discussion. I don't care that you've decided that's the end of the discussion, I'm calling bullshit. It's ok to cry foul because someone has rounded up $2.50 but it's not okay to cry foul when we're forcing someone to take a $17.50 loss? Yes, scalping is bad, so why isn't forcing a loss considered just as reprehensible? If we wanna promote this board as a place with morals and integrity by banning scalpers, then we should not be forcing a loss on anyone looking to sell their ticket either. If they want to take a loss and sell for less, then that's their prerogative. So, let's be as black and white as it gets: face value equals exactly what the person paid for their ticket to Livenation, proof of purchase required. No proof of purchase so we can be certain they're not making a profit selling a presale ticket at regular sale prices, no selling on this board.
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Post by wonk on May 19, 2013 16:35:40 GMT -8
How about instead of trying to define the gray area between what is and what isn't scalping, we keep this black and white. Face value or fuck off (like it's always been). So, let's be as black and white as it gets: face value equals exactly what the person paid for their ticket to Livenation, proof of purchase required. Finally someone is on my side. <3
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Post by rüstü on May 19, 2013 16:44:14 GMT -8
That's a resolution we all would've agreed on if someone had mentioned it before kymess! It hadn't occurred to me to ask for proof of what they paid.
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Post by kymess_jr on May 19, 2013 17:27:39 GMT -8
How about instead of trying to define the gray area between what is and what isn't scalping, we keep this black and white. Face value or fuck off (like it's always been). So, let's be as black and white as it gets: face value equals exactly what the person paid for their ticket to Livenation, proof of purchase required. Finally someone is on my side. <3 I was always on your side, wonk. You were just having a hard time seeing it: How about instead of trying to define the gray area between what is and what isn't scalping, we keep this black and white. Face value or fuck off (like it's always been). Except you keep trying to define what face value is based on when you bought your tickets. Face value equals what the person paid when purchasing from livenation, not the lowest tier price. Asking for proof of purchase would be a fine way to ensure a presale ticket isn't being sold at regular sale prices. <3
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Post by Professor Pancakes on May 19, 2013 17:50:02 GMT -8
I feel like the logistics of requiring proof of purchase over complicates things and creates a barrier that would stop otherwise fair people from offering. What if I bought the ticket from someone else for cash and don't have a receipt? What if I have a ShitHub receipt showing I paid $500 for it, can I ask $500? What if I won two tickets and need to sell one? Though I disagree with his amount, HG's method is the best. We set an amount that we agree is "face value" and that's what it is. If someone is willing to sell for less, great. If someone wants to sell for more, they can fuck off. Eliminate the gray area without creating any more complications.
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Post by kymess_jr on May 19, 2013 18:32:27 GMT -8
I feel like the logistics of requiring proof of purchase over complicates things and creates a barrier that would stop otherwise fair people from offering. What if I bought the ticket from someone else for cash and don't have a receipt? What if I have a ShitHub receipt showing I paid $500 for it, can I ask $500? What if I won two tickets and need to sell one? Though I disagree with his amount, HG's method is the best. We set an amount that we agree is "face value" and that's what it is. If someone is willing to sell for less, great. If someone wants to sell for more, they can fuck off. Eliminate the gray area without creating any more complications. I don't think proof of purchase from Livenation is over complicating it at all. Stubhub doesn't equal Livenation, so you can't sell it for what you paid then. Cash to some stranger doesn't equal Livenation, so you can't sell it for what you paid. Winning tickets for free... well, to be honest I can see the gray area you were talking about here earlier and am in some agreement honestly. If you want an agreed upon amount (ie $330) for those that did not purchase from Livenation, even if it means an agreed upon loss, then I'd be fine with that. But in that case, the seller is aware before posting they have a ticket for sale that, if they can't provide proof of purchase from Livenation, the most they can ask is $330.
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Post by Professor Pancakes on May 19, 2013 18:42:51 GMT -8
If they can't provide proof of purchase from Livenation, the most they can ask is $330. Which is to say they can't sell for more than an agreed upon amount, period. So why complicate it further with talk of proof of purchase?
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Post by emptyfox on May 19, 2013 18:45:47 GMT -8
We, the moderators will define the maximum acceptable cost. Providing proof of purchase is prohibitive so I'd rather just say $337.50 USD is the most you can charge for a pass here, and you can not add the $10 shipping cost on top of that total. Once we've agreed I will add a sticky to the top of the tickets forum which we will then change when next years price is inevitably $15 higher.
Finally, just a quick note; Mod decisions are not up for debate. This is not a democracy and it never has been. If you disagree with something one of us has done we are more than willing to discuss it, but please send us a PM instead of dragging it out on the forum.
Thanks everyone.
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Post by kymess_jr on May 19, 2013 18:53:26 GMT -8
If they can't provide proof of purchase from Livenation, the most they can ask is $330. Which is to say they can't sell for more than an agreed upon amount, period. So why complicate it further with talk of proof of purchase? Because I don't think it's fair for us to penalize those that bought their tickets from a legitimate source just to make it easier. Perhaps forcing those that bought from stubhub or other scalpers to have to take a loss will get them to rethink buying from those sources in the first place, but those who bought from Livenation and paid face value should be able to recoup their costs. At the end of all this though, I'm not a mod, I have no real power here, and we're all just gonna do what HG decides anyway. So where's Stormy with deal with it .gif again?
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Post by Horned Gramma on May 19, 2013 20:52:09 GMT -8
Did this turn into a shitshow? Bummer I missed it. Ultimately, the reason the person in question was banned was that they said I have a ticket for sale for $350 and not I have a ticket to sell at face value. It's extremely difficult -- nigh on impossible -- for US to determine how much someone paid for a wristband, but it's the easiest thing in the world for that same someone to determine. Sounded to me like this person was trying to make enough money off the deal to buy herself lunch or something, so I banned her and that was that.
It's not any more complicated than that, and it doesn't need to be. I am entirely certain this person was trying to make more than $2.50 from selling her wristband; if I'm wrong, maybe I'll go to hell. But I doubt it.
WAKKA WAKKA
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Post by StormyPinkness on May 19, 2013 21:00:31 GMT -8
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Post by StormyPinkness on May 19, 2013 21:05:52 GMT -8
So where's Stormy with deal with it .gif again? If one cannot laugh at Deal With It Dog then one is taking one's self too seriously. This is the ultimate lesson of Deal With It Dog. P.S. Deal With It Dog is always with us, even when we cannot see his bitchin' shades.
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Post by davers on May 19, 2013 21:15:03 GMT -8
Fair's fair though, gotta obey the wonk. No you don't. Wonk is at his most entertaining when people attempt to stand up to him. If everyone just did what he said that would be no fun.
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Post by rüstü on May 19, 2013 21:20:49 GMT -8
I took that lesson straight to heart, apparently!
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Post by weenie on May 19, 2013 21:23:57 GMT -8
So where's Stormy with deal with it .gif again? If one cannot laugh at Deal With It Dog then one is taking one's self too seriously. This is the ultimate lesson of Deal With It Dog. P.S. Deal With It Dog is always with us, even when we cannot see his bitchin' shades.
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Post by wonk on May 20, 2013 10:37:47 GMT -8
No you don't. Wonk is at his most entertaining when people attempt to stand up to him. If everyone just did what he said that would be no fun. And don't think I'm doing this just to be contrary. I've been f.ighting the f.ight against scalpers more than the rest of the board combined, and those who have benefited from the fruits of my labor are nodding. Several of you think a little bit of scalping is okay, and I'm telling you it is not. Is a little bit of rape okay? I paid $685 to Livenation, and sold the passes for the same amount. Should I call up the couple I sold them to and say, "the acceptable rate for those passes are now $350 each. One of those cases of beer you're bringing to Sasquatch is now mine. Maybe you should stay sober Saturday so you don't run out." If you feel the need to tell people you understand why they would sell tickets for over face, post it on Craiglist, because you aren't going to do anything but piss me off posting it here. Pop quiz, your friend's wallet is sitting on the coffee table. He vacates the room to hit up the facilities. How much money are you allowed to take from that wallet before it is considered stealing? $2.50? $7.50? $113?
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Post by rüstü on May 20, 2013 10:43:35 GMT -8
You totally lost me when comparing rounding up $2.50 on the cost of a ticket and rape. That's fucking absurd and offensive and you know it.
I think we all pretty much agreed after some debate yesterday and there's no real reason to continue arguing about it. We're all good, I swear.
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Post by Cbats on May 20, 2013 11:06:22 GMT -8
This is possibly the stupidest argument on a board full of stupid arguments.
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