I can't believe you're suggesting that scalpers HELP the promoter sell tickets. They literally buy tickets that people who are actually attending the festival would've bought (keep in mind, Sasquatch has sold out since at least 2009 so there's no doubt the demand is high enough), and then they sell them at a price much higher than those people would've had to pay. If it were a smaller show that was unlikely to sell out then yes, scalpers take a risk, but with Sasquatch there is 0% risk involved. It's 100% scumbaggery and for you to suggest that they provide a valuable service makes me disregard everything you say. Along with the numerous other logical fallacies in your argument, I now know to disregard any further arguments from you on. Seriously, I'm done arguing about this. That is the dumbest thing I've read in the last week.
Last Edit: May 7, 2013 11:00:58 GMT -5 by rustuuuu
Scalpers are the best thing to happen to concerts since $8 beer as far as promoters are concerned.
Your proof is the fact that they still exist. It would be exceptionally easy for promoters to make tickets much much harder to scalp, yet they do nothing. Ask yourself why?
Selling out is not the same as Selling out in an hour. Try planning an event like Sasquatch on credit, and try planning an event like Sasquatch with all of the ticket sales already in your bank account. Huge difference. Millions of dollars worth of a difference.
There is a reason that concert tickets go on sale SO far before shows nowadays.
The service that scalpers provide to promoters is invaluable. This is a fact, and not even possible to debate. So you're right, I guess you are done arguing it.
I don't doubt that scalpers buy tickets before other people would, giving promoters money earlier, but I honestly don't care. That's not the argument we're making and that's not the point at all. The point is that they are human scum who make profits out of something that was never intended to be profitable.
Last Edit: May 7, 2013 11:32:27 GMT -5 by rustuuuu
You don't need to write fifteen paragraphs explaining scalping, we all understand how it works. There will always be drunk assholes looking to start a f.ight at a bar, there will always be shitty drivers, there will always be people cheating on their spouse, and there will always be scalpers. Did you really think spending twenty minutes on your post explaining this would be beneficial to us?
A large part of the problem is people scalp their tickets because they don't know any better. These Sasquatch fans are ripping off other Sasquatch fans, who would probably be one of their best friends under different circumstances. They don't think about the what that extra $100 means to someone living on a tight budget. It is up to us to inform these people that they don't need to play the part of a scumbag piece of shit. They are allowed to hook up a fellow Sasquatch fan. They are allowed to do a good deed.
We don't need spicypie to explain to us how scumbag pieces of shit operate, we're saying don't be a scumbag piece of shit.
Fair enough. And if I was selling my ticket, I would 100% be selling it for face value to a friend.
My original point is that not all people have the Sasquatch vibe going 365 days of the year. So giving yourself the option to pay $20-$30 over face value to a "scumbag" might be the best play in the long run. I have my ticket though, and honestly was just trying to help, so take it for what it's worth.
I predict a huge chunk of you end up using stubhub, which means $10 or $15 more in Ticketmaster's pocket.
I have no issue paying 20 or 30 bucks more for a $350 ticket - I don't even consider those folks scumbags. They probably have paid at least that on interest on the ticket sitting on their credit card. I do, however, acknowledge the scumbaggery of trying to make a significant profit off of a concert/festival ticket.
I also think shaming folks into selling at face is acceptable. If you want to be a scumbag, go for it. But you're gonna get called out on it. That's the price you pay for making a profit.
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Completely agree. So wouldn't it stand to reason that you guys should get as many people posting tickets on here as possible, no matter what the price, and then start shaming them all down to the $20-30+ price range? Even if it works for 1 or 2 people, thats 1 or 2 more (relatively) cheap tickets going to Sasquatch diehards (which I have to assume anyone on here is).
I don't think enough people would post on here that don't already post on craigslist or the facebook page or stubhub or whatever to make that a worthwhile endeavor. Letting scalpers post here would just give people another avenue to post their tickets for over face value, which doesn't really provide us any service at all. They'll definitely be posting it elsewhere as well so it's a little bit redundant. In my opinion at least.
Edit: I realized I emphasized my point by being extremely redundant in the above comment.
Last Edit: May 7, 2013 12:36:46 GMT -5 by rustuuuu
The service that scalpers provide to promoters is invaluable.
I agree that promoters love scalpers. This board isn't for promoters; it's for fans. Fans who want to help other fans are welcome here, scalpers are not. End of story. We all know how to use Craigslist.