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Post by emptyfox on Feb 19, 2013 9:49:35 GMT -8
Ya Karlson is definitely gone for the year.
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Post by wonk on Feb 19, 2013 11:00:02 GMT -8
Goddammit you can't have Letang. It's call "sweatening the deal." I offered more for Letang this time. And why do you want Karlsson anyway? He probably won't play another game this season. Is this going to become a keeper league? I don't want Karlsson, it was a 3 for 2 trade. I offered Kesler, Goligoski, and Tlusky for Letang and Datsyuk. Since you've made it clear you don't understand how fantasy sports work, I made it easier for you had you chosen to accept the offer by including Karlsson, who has no worth. Otherwise you would have been confused as hell when ESPN told you you've exceeded your roster limit and need to drop a player.
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Post by davers on Feb 19, 2013 13:23:21 GMT -8
Letang and Datsyuk are 2 of my best players, and I have my doubts about Kesler. I thought you might have wanted Karlsson for next season or something.
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Post by wonk on Feb 19, 2013 14:49:27 GMT -8
Letang and Datsyuk are 2 of my best players, and I have my doubts about Kesler. Some people overvalue certain player, some people undervalue certain players. That's part of the fun in trading. Hockey is so boring, I need something to keep me interested in this league. For example, Rusty and I exchanged a couple trade offers, turns out he likes Patrick Sharp a lot, and I like Alex Ovechkin. So we made the trade. Win win for both teams. Our season is now infinitley more interesting because we'll be comparing Ovechkin/Sharp nightly seeing who got the better of the deal. Now I know your overvalue Letang and Datsyuk, and undervalue Kesler. If you look at my offer from a different standpoint, Goligoski/Tlusty are the same as Letang/Datsyuk in PPP/plus-minus/SOG/PIM. Check their stats, nearly identical. They are all just numbers to me anyway. Letang/Datsyuk are much better in ATOI and slightly better in points. So I offered the best player on your favorite team to offset those differences. If you had a Kesler boner, you probably take that offer and high five your friends. But since you overvalue Letang and Datsyuk, and undervalue Kesler/Goligoski/Tlusty, it's not a very good offer. If I think Kesler is better than anyone else thinks he is, he'll end up staying on my team. Trading 101.
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Post by davers on Feb 19, 2013 15:07:22 GMT -8
I figured you were banking on my Kesler boner. I would have made a counter offer with one of my other two best D men but I put that on here and you just asked for Letang again, so I didn't bother since you don't seem interested in either of them.
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Post by wonk on Feb 19, 2013 15:36:49 GMT -8
Funny thing is, I have more defenders than I need. I don't know why I even went for Letang. I need offensive players with high ATOI. Empty, you're up.
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Post by Rusty on Feb 19, 2013 16:14:29 GMT -8
It was more of a hating the fuck out of Ovechkin compounded with never wanting him in the draft (it was an accident that I picked him), a lot more than liking Sharp a lot. However I do like Sharp a lot, and this trade works for me.
I hope Ovechkin stops being a bum, and actually performs for you, because he sure didn't for me.
As for overvaluing/undervaluing... I honestly think people that have never played a rotisserie and are more familiar with traditional hockey pools just look a Goals Assists and Points. This is the first time I have ever been concerned about ATOI, Shots and especially PIM ( PIM is a useless fucking stat). So while you are properly valuing based on all categories, I think we are overvaluing based on the more basic stats.
If we I were to do rotisserie again I would have to ask that PIM be exchanged for blocked shots, it just makes so much more sense.
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Post by davers on Feb 19, 2013 16:37:13 GMT -8
Yeah, it really bugs me that PIM gets you points, more-so because I'm last in that catagory. It's not a desirable thing in hockey to get a lot of penalties.
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Post by nater on Feb 19, 2013 17:16:01 GMT -8
WHO CREATED THESE RULES
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Post by emptyfox on Feb 19, 2013 17:57:44 GMT -8
wonk, Kesler's ADP would not have been anywhere near 20. I'd wager closer to 40 or 50. For a guy that's only projected to get like 20 points and finish a +3, I thought the offer was fair. I'll look at making another one, but I'm not too sure how much more I'm willing to give up. I'm certainly open to a counter offer though.
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Post by wonk on Feb 19, 2013 18:34:54 GMT -8
wonk, Kesler's ADP would not have been anywhere near 20. I'd wager closer to 40 or 50. For a guy that's only projected to get like 20 points and finish a +3, I thought the offer was fair. I'll look at making another one, but I'm not too sure how much more I'm willing to give up. I'm certainly open to a counter offer though. I understand. I didn't say it was a bad offer. I didn't think any trade offer was ever bad until I started playing fantasy basketball with Drew's Chode friend. I replied saying that since I have no opinion of these guys I've never heard of, I have to somewhat rely on ADP to see what is what. You offered a 17th rounder and an 18th rounder for who you just said is about a 4th or a 5th rounder, even though I'm guessing he's more of a second rounder (and I realize this is a 12 team league, it's easier dividing ADP by ten, and ten is more standard than 12 when discussing draft results). I realize Kesler's projections are low, but I know enough about projections to realize the most inaccurate are when it refers to injured guys. Not only are you guessing at their worth, but you're guessing at when they might be healthy, which is much tougher. Based on the SOG projections of the other guys on my team, it looks like Kesler's projections are based on him playing 1/3rd of the season, yet he only missed 1/3rd of the season. Therefore, double his goals/assists/plus-minus, and that is closer to what his projection would be if they knew how many games he would play.
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Post by emptyfox on Feb 19, 2013 18:41:52 GMT -8
That last paragraph makes a lot of sense. We'll see what happens I suppose.
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Post by wonk on Feb 19, 2013 18:42:19 GMT -8
If we I were to do rotisserie again I would have to ask that PIM be exchanged for blocked shots, it just makes so much more sense. Yeah, it really bugs me that PIM gets you points, more-so because I'm last in that catagory. It's not a desirable thing in hockey to get a lot of penalties. If anything needs to be replaced, my vote is for ATOI. When I googled it to see what it meant, I ran across several message board comments which basically said, "this is the dumbest fucking stat in the world." I'm used to it now, so it doesn't bother me as much, but great players on great teams get less minutes than decent players on shitty teams, so the how is the stat relevant? I like penalty minutes being a stat. I thought the lower the better before the draft began, but ya'll started saying it was higher the better. There is something really awesome about reading a comment about how one of your players had a good game because, "he had an assist, and also added a ten minute major!"
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Post by wonk on Feb 19, 2013 18:47:56 GMT -8
That last paragraph makes a lot of sense. Of course it does, it's math!
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Post by wonk on Feb 19, 2013 20:49:58 GMT -8
Hey Rusty, Sharp had an awesome game tonight. Let's call the whole thing off? ;D
PS: I rarely use emoticons.
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Post by Rusty on Feb 19, 2013 21:23:32 GMT -8
Play Ben Scrivens they said, He's on a hot streak they said....fuck. 4 goals on 11 shots, that oughta help my goaltenders stats...fuck.
No takesies-backsies Wonk, you've made your choices...live with em!
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Post by Rusty on Feb 19, 2013 21:25:28 GMT -8
Anyone want to trade me a goalie? Wonk?
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Post by wonk on Feb 19, 2013 21:34:55 GMT -8
No takesies-backsies Wonk, you've made your choices...live with em! I know, it was a joke, thus the ;D However, the following remains true... Rusty and I exchanged a couple trade offers, turns out he likes Patrick Sharp a lot, and I like Alex Ovechkin. So we made the trade. Win win for both teams. Our season is now infinitley more interesting because we'll be comparing Ovechkin/Sharp nightly seeing who got the better of the deal.
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Post by wonk on Feb 19, 2013 21:38:47 GMT -8
Anyone want to trade me a goalie? Wonk? I like my goalies. Nater said she hated her goalie, and asked for Calgary Flames players to keep her interested, then dislikes my offer of my best goalie and my second best defender (who plays for the Flames). You Canadians confuse me. If I offered a penis, I think she would have caved.
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Post by Rusty on Feb 19, 2013 21:50:43 GMT -8
Anyone want to trade me a goalie? Wonk? I like my goalies. Nater said she hated her goalie, and asked for Calgary Flames players to keep her interested, then dislikes my offer of my best goalie and my second best defender (who plays for the Flames). You Canadians confuse me. If I offered a penis, I think she would have caved. Yeah, it is interesting to see what people will accept and what they won't. I generally low ball them, simply so they will respond and give me an idea of what they are thinking. You are right though, I think trades are the most fun part of any fantasy league. I'd make more trades if I actually possessed some players that anyone was interested in.
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