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Post by badchoices on Nov 12, 2012 16:58:52 GMT -8
That's too bad. I really enjoy their albums. I probably would check it out still
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Post by kymess_jr on Nov 12, 2012 17:02:06 GMT -8
Yeah, I'd still like to see them regardless. I missed them just a few weeks ago 'cause of work, so if this speculating turns to fact I'll be happy.
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Post by Horned Gramma on Nov 12, 2012 17:07:28 GMT -8
I moved to Portland within a month of the release of I Am the Fun Blame Monster, and I have bought every one of their records from the same shop on Hawthorne. You could say I'm a fan. Even so, I somehow managed to not see them until after Brent Knopf left the group, right around the time Mines came out. I was so fucking disappointed; I can't even tell you why. Sure enough, they play those songs and they sound like they do on the records, but for some reason it was just incredibly fucking boring. I left early, and I never do that.
wonk disagrees with me on this, but I think Knopf was the soul of that band. If you see them live, don't hold out hope to hear any of the songs he wrote (including 'Evil Bee', which is my personal favorite).
Also I think that Mines and Moms are both really fucking dull. So there's that too.
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Post by Dr. Crane on Nov 12, 2012 17:13:33 GMT -8
'The fuck is a menomena?
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Post by Dr. Crane on Nov 12, 2012 17:15:03 GMT -8
Sounds like a gay dance club.
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Post by kymess_jr on Nov 12, 2012 17:22:53 GMT -8
Sounds like a gay dance club. It definitely does if you say it the way I originally did when I first stumbled on them: men-o-men-a But it was a real lightbulb moment the first time I heard someone say their name properly: me-nom-a-na (like the muppets)
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Post by Dr. Crane on Nov 12, 2012 17:26:49 GMT -8
I don't know what that means so I'm still saying it the gay way.
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Post by Cbats on Nov 12, 2012 19:03:21 GMT -8
Rampant speculation: Menomena just added 2013 tour dates with no PNW dates, they haven't been to Sasquatch since 2005, and they're from Portland. That's good speculation right there. Borderline rumor territory. Even though this is totally plausible, keep in mind that local bands often wait to announce local shows until later. Menomena probably knows people at every venue in Portland and Seattle and could book a show in a day, it's the rest of the country that takes a lot of work. I moved to Portland within a month of the release of I Am the Fun Blame Monster, and I have bought every one of their records from the same shop on Hawthorne. You could say I'm a fan. Even so, I somehow managed to not see them until after Brent Knopf left the group, right around the time Mines came out. I was so fucking disappointed; I can't even tell you why. Sure enough, they play those songs and they sound like they do on the records, but for some reason it was just incredibly fucking boring. I left early, and I never do that. wonk disagrees with me on this, but I think Knopf was the soul of that band. If you see them live, don't hold out hope to hear any of the songs he wrote (including 'Evil Bee', which is my personal favorite). Also I think that Mines and Moms are both really fucking dull. So there's that too. I completely agree that they're not great live now that Knopf is gone but I saw them on the tour right before Knopf left and it was really good. I like Mines a lot which probably helped but they were much worse just a few months later.
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Post by wonk on Nov 12, 2012 21:50:19 GMT -8
This is so far off, I can't even comprehend. This is HG saying, "I was really hung over, and I couldn't get out of a weed coma enough to appreciate anything that wasn't my favorite Brett Knoff song, or anything off their last two albums because I never listened to them." HG made it clear he doesn't know which singer is which on the only album he's listened to, so his opinion is far from valid. Menomena is great live. It's three guys who all sing equally, and play multiple instruments per song. I wish I could see musicians this talented who are able to loop their sounds to make the 'ten person band' seem coherent. Their drummer is one of the strangest but coolest song writers I've experienced. HG wouldn't know, because he only likes one song. I have no idea what you are aiming for here HG? You just showed your cards, and those cards are, "I only like bands when they play the old songs I like. Great live bands don't interest me unless I like them."
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Post by wonk on Nov 12, 2012 22:04:23 GMT -8
I can't believe you would go on record saying one of Portland's favorite live bands sucks because, "you only like one song."
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Post by Fig on Nov 12, 2012 22:18:15 GMT -8
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Post by Horned Gramma on Nov 12, 2012 23:02:17 GMT -8
I have bought every one of their records from the same shop on Hawthorne. You could say I'm a fan. wonk disagrees with me on this For the record, I am rarely if ever hungover, and I have never had a hangover that has persisted until the time that a show starts. I have never missed a show because of a hangover. Point A. Point B, weed affects people differently, and while a single toke may be one toke over the line for you, a 'weed coma' is generally not something that I experience. I may not know the names and personalities of the songwriters in Menomena, but they defiantly suffer from dual songwriter disorder. For every Lennon & McCartney or Flansburgh & Linnell there is a Murdoch & David, Krug & Boeckner or Doss & Hart: pairs of songwriters who have distinct styles that, while arguably are equally great, just do not fucking blend. This is the case with Menomena. I know that we disagree on 'Evil Bee', we've discussed this. But while the remaining members of Menomena are equally talented musicians, singers and performers, they are not equal songwriters. 'Evil Bee' was just an example. What I liked about Menomena was what Knopf brought to the group -- the crooked, angular songwriting; those sudden changes of mood, tempo and key that reminded me of Beefheart. Whatever and whoever is left is overly concerned with the ponderous mid-tempo indie ballads that I know you are such a sucker for, but it's just not for me. Don't act like I can't tell the difference, and don't even call me out for not knowing their middle names when you can't even tell me which one's Deaner and which one's Gener. However, this much is true: You just showed your cards, and those cards are, "I only like bands when they play the old songs I like. Although it doesn't apply to Menomena. It is well-documented that I have no love for bands that shoot their babies and bury them out back. of Montreal's refusal to play any material that dates back for more than five years is exactly 50% of the reason that I can't fucking stand them anymore; the Decemberists only manage to ingratiate themselves with me anymore when they dust off 'Oceanside' or 'Odalisque', and I was dead set against Modest Mouse until I saw them play 'Baby Blue Sedan', 'Cowboy Dan', 'Wild Packs of Family Dogs' and 'Dramamine' all in one set. The difference is those bands can play whatever they want, whereas I'm pretty sure Brent Knopf owns the legal rights to the songs he contributed to Menomena. I don't hold it against them that they don't play the songs that I want to hear, I just don't particularly care about the songs they CAN play.
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Post by StormyPinkness on Nov 13, 2012 11:42:44 GMT -8
I don't know what that means so I'm still saying it the gay way. OUT OF THE BAND Do not dismiss the muppets.
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Post by wonk on Nov 13, 2012 11:42:47 GMT -8
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Post by wonk on Nov 13, 2012 11:44:58 GMT -8
I have bought every one of their records from the same shop on Hawthorne. You could say I'm a fan. For the record, I am rarely if ever hungover, and I have never had a hangover that has persisted until the time that a show starts. I have never missed a show because of a hangover. Point A. Point B, weed affects people differently, and while a single toke may be one toke over the line for you, a 'weed coma' is generally not something that I experience. I may not know the names and personalities of the songwriters in Menomena, but they defiantly suffer from dual songwriter disorder. For every Lennon & McCartney or Flansburgh & Linnell there is a Murdoch & David, Krug & Boeckner or Doss & Hart: pairs of songwriters who have distinct styles that, while arguably are equally great, just do not fucking blend. This is the case with Menomena. I know that we disagree on 'Evil Bee', we've discussed this. But while the remaining members of Menomena are equally talented musicians, singers and performers, they are not equal songwriters. 'Evil Bee' was just an example. What I liked about Menomena was what Knopf brought to the group -- the crooked, angular songwriting; those sudden changes of mood, tempo and key that reminded me of Beefheart. Whatever and whoever is left is overly concerned with the ponderous mid-tempo indie ballads that I know you are such a sucker for, but it's just not for me. Don't act like I can't tell the difference, and don't even call me out for not knowing their middle names when you can't even tell me which one's Deaner and which one's Gener. However, this much is true: You just showed your cards, and those cards are, "I only like bands when they play the old songs I like. Although it doesn't apply to Menomena. It is well-documented that I have no love for bands that shoot their babies and bury them out back. of Montreal's refusal to play any material that dates back for more than five years is exactly 50% of the reason that I can't fucking stand them anymore; the Decemberists only manage to ingratiate themselves with me anymore when they dust off 'Oceanside' or 'Odalisque', and I was dead set against Modest Mouse until I saw them play 'Baby Blue Sedan', 'Cowboy Dan', 'Wild Packs of Family Dogs' and 'Dramamine' all in one set. The difference is those bands can play whatever they want, whereas I'm pretty sure Brent Knopf owns the legal rights to the songs he contributed to Menomena. I don't hold it against them that they don't play the songs that I want to hear, I just don't particularly care about the songs they CAN play. Six paragraphs which have absolutely nothing to do with the point you are somehow trying to defend, which was, "Menomena sucks live." This isn't a private conversation held between a couple people in a room, this is a thread about the 2013 Sasquatch lineup which is going to be read by potentially hundreds of people, many of whom don't have the patience to comprehend more than three words at a time. People get a lot of their advice about what bands to check out because of hanging out on music message boards, and many don't know anything about Menomena. Some even respect your opinion, no matter how bizarre it can be. And "Menomena sucks live" is what you want them to know. Menomena isn't a band with a giant tour bus, vacation homes on the beach, and expensive sports cars, this is band who can barely call being a musician a full-time job. This is a band who needs the support of their fans to afford creating music. This is a band who depends on word-of-mouth recommendations, just like every other lesser known band we try to support hoping they someday make it big. Why do you even have a passion against illegally downloading music? One would guess it's because you feel musicians deserve a couple bucks here and there for creating music for us to enjoy. But now you're going on record basically saying, "Menomena doesn't deserve your money because they suck live. Thinking about going to see a Menomena show? Don't do it, save your loot and stay home and watch sitcoms instead. Thinking about going to see Menomena at Sasquatch? You should instead go watch the guy who twists a nob and pumps his fist because Menomena sucks live. They don't need your money or support. Avoid at all costs. In fact, you shouldn't buy their music either, I'll allow an exception to my rule against illegally downloading music, as long as you're downloading Menomena." The worst part about your statement that "Menomena sucks live," is that your opinion isn't even based on their live performance. How do they suck live? Did they show up late and leave early? Did they spit beer on the crowd? Was the music out of sync? Were they too drunk to play? No, they are actually fantastic live musicians. You were just disappointed that the guy who wrote the song you like five years ago is no longer in the band, and once you realized they weren't going to play that song, you left early to catch the last bus home to avoid paying for a cab. How is that addressing their live performance in any way?
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Post by Drew on Nov 13, 2012 12:16:45 GMT -8
This thread - TL;DR
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Post by Dr. Crane on Nov 13, 2012 16:34:44 GMT -8
I don't know what that means so I'm still saying it the gay way. OUT OF THE BAND Do not dismiss the muppets. You can't fire me, I already quit. The mustache hath been shaved. If you want me to know, the videos to me you must show.
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Post by StormyPinkness on Nov 13, 2012 17:00:50 GMT -8
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Post by losertron on Nov 14, 2012 9:10:51 GMT -8
...sooooo how about that new Soundgarden album, guys?
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Post by Horned Gramma on Nov 14, 2012 9:12:38 GMT -8
Soundgarden doesn't deserve your money because they suck live. Thinking about going to see a Soundgarden show? Don't do it, save your loot and stay home and watch sitcoms instead. Thinking about going to see Soundgarden at Sasquatch? You should instead go watch the guy who twists a nob and pumps his fist because Soundgarden sucks live. They don't need your money or support. Avoid at all costs. In fact, you shouldn't buy their music either, I'll allow an exception to my rule against illegally downloading music, as long as you're downloading Soundgarden.
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