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Post by Fig on Jan 11, 2014 0:26:13 GMT -8
Put book in bag of rice, profit.
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Post by emptyfox on Jan 11, 2014 11:25:14 GMT -8
Solution --> Don't get flu shots ***waits in the corner to be yelled at by shax*** It's actually surprising how many healthcare workers refuse the flu shot. At least in my department there are probably a third of the employees not vaccinated. Having never gotten sick from the shot I always think people are kind of blaming the shot for them having a shitty day...but after some reading, apparently there is some validity to the flu-shot "flu" --but from all documentation it is most definitely not as bad as the actual virus. Any way, it's free and it will protect you from the three most prominent flu strains, which in recent years have actually been killing the 18-45 age group...what exactly is your aversion to getting it? No particular aversion really, other then having a strong immune system and really just not feeling a need for it.
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Post by Goldbart der Hexenmeister on Jan 22, 2014 18:07:40 GMT -8
There's a scalper i found on Facebook. I hate scalpers. He also has an open facebook profile. I'm going to scam the shit out of this guy.
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Rusty
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Post by Rusty on Jan 22, 2014 23:27:10 GMT -8
It's funny, I totally agree that scalpers are the fucking worst. But when I say that, I'm talking about the fucking assholes that buy like 100 tickets for an event they don't give a shit about, and then gouge the actual fans -- they are actually running a business to fuck you.
But I keep noticing that a lot of the people that scalp on craigslist ( or similar) aren't really bad people. A lot of them are just regular folks with tickets, and they try to get the most money they possibly can for them. Often they don't really believe/realize they are one of the shit heads. They are just selling something, and generally when you sell something you try to get the most money for said thing. For example, I set the price for my 1992 Subaru Legacy at $1500. Was it worth that, NOPE. Not a fucking chance. I like, wanted it out my fucking driveway. They could have just taken it away and I would have been cool with it. I actually probably would have paid.
I ended up getting $620 (wasn't there for negotiations, no idea why pops chose that number), but I was happy. That car was not worth that much money. It was worth around $500, by my estimation. But to the young fellow that threw down the bills , it was apparently worth 6 and 1/5th bills. Am I a bad dude for selling my shit for a decidedly marked up value? I don't think so.
My point is that although I think raising the price on tickets is fucking lame. I DO NOT think that every person that does this is a bad person, or deserves to be ridiculed...or whatever you were planning to do to this guy. Although having said that I'm not sure what should be done with these people??
Like unless this guy is a prolific ass-hat...just like, say no! no! Stop it! No!
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Post by rimjobflashmob on Jan 23, 2014 0:31:04 GMT -8
So if I sell one ticket at a crazy price I'm fine, but if I sell 100 at that same crazy price I'm not?
Or did I miss something?
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Post by Cysquatch on Jan 23, 2014 6:32:34 GMT -8
Cars are not a good comparison to selling a ticket to an event. Technically prices of motor vehicles vary depending on many factors. If that car was never driven it would be worth more, but still you are selling it for a fraction of what it was originally purchased for. If I buy an iPod and it's in the box, but for some reason I can not use it, is it ok to sell it for more money because it was the last iPod that store had? Better yet I just bought the last hot dog from a hotdog stand for $2.00, and the vendor tells me it's the last hotdog, so is it cool to stand there and try to sell that hotdog for $4.00 because I'm not really that hungry anyway and somebody might be hungry enough to pay double the price? When you are selling something out of the box for more money than it is worth that makes you a horrible person. I'm sure you had invested more money in your car than you had sold it for. People rarely make money off of cars, houses, etc without putting time and/or money into them. Without modification or maintenance any goods depreciate in value.
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Post by davers on Jan 23, 2014 12:41:07 GMT -8
Cars are not a good comparison to selling a ticket to an event. Technically prices of motor vehicles vary depending on many factors. If that car was never driven it would be worth more, but still you are selling it for a fraction of what it was originally purchased for. 1. If I buy an iPod and it's in the box, but for some reason I can not use it, is it ok to sell it for more money because it was the last iPod that store had? 2. Better yet I just bought the last hot dog from a hotdog stand for $2.00, and the vendor tells me it's the last hotdog, so is it cool to stand there and try to sell that hotdog for $4.00 because I'm not really that hungry anyway and somebody might be hungry enough to pay double the price? 3. When you are selling something out of the box for more money than it is worth that makes you a horrible person. 4. I'm sure you had invested more money in your car than you had sold it for. People rarely make money off of cars, houses, etc without putting time and/or money into them. Without modification or maintenance any goods depreciate in value. It's been a while since we've had a good board argument. 1. Totally. If someone is willing to pay that for an ipod then obviously it is worth more to them. The store will get more ipods and some point, but if he wants it right away and is willing to pay extra to get it right away then you have the right to sell it to him. 2. Again, why not? This is a pretty gross example and obviously wouldn't happen in real life, but it's totally reasonable. There are other stores that sell food, but if someone wants that hot dog right away, they can pay extra for it. The difference between these things and scalping tickets is that there is a finite amount of tickets to a concert, but there is pretty much an infinite amount of ipods and hot dogs. 3. Why? It's supply and demand. It's a huge part of the free market economy. If I buy stocks in a company, and I sell them after they go up in value, am I a horrible person? I haven't done anything to the stocks to make them better, the company just happened to do well. People do this with all sorts of things. Go to a garage sale, find something special and then sell it for more. Buy some Pokémon cards (holy shit the autocorrect put the line over the 'e', of all the things to teach auto correct, Pokémon was on the list) and sell them for more, the list goes on. You can lose money doing this too. The same thing could have happened with the above ipod or hot dog. 4. Where I live people have been making shit tons of money off houses in the last decade. Property was rising 10-20% per year for a long time. It sucks for me because even though I have a pretty good job I can't afford anything decent in the city. Some people treat homes like investments and it makes home ownership very hard for young families. I think it's wrong, but what can I do about it? In all of these cases the buyer knew what he/she was buying and decided it was worth it anyway. The buyer is just as much to blame as the seller. If no one will pay above face value for tickets, then no one can sell them for over face value. Tickets become essentially worthless after the concert, so really the buyer is in the driver seat. Making concert goers in general more educated on this is probably going to be a lot more effective in curbing scalping than bitching out each individual on the internet. It sucks to see people get taken advantage of because they really want to see a show, but at the same time they are perpetuating scalping by paying that price. Sometimes there are more people that want to see a show than there are tickets to said show. Such is life. The people paying attention will get tickets, and unless people stop paying scalper prices, the rich get the rest.
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Post by Cysquatch on Jan 23, 2014 13:36:20 GMT -8
Ok, now that I think about it real estate is not a great example and was only briefly mentioned, but there is no doubt about it, if you scalp a ticket you are a dick. Also for the record I don't like iPods or hotdogs. Just an off the top of my head example in an early morning rant.
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Post by Professor Pancakes on Jan 23, 2014 13:41:36 GMT -8
Please stop before Wonk decides to show up.
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Post by davers on Jan 23, 2014 13:48:34 GMT -8
I made zero claims about the morality of scalping tickets. I don't scalp tickets and with a few exceptions like paying $30 for a $26 ticket, I don't buy them either.
And you have to say his name 3 times for him to show up.
wonk
wonk
wonk
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Post by Cysquatch on Jan 23, 2014 13:56:17 GMT -8
Wonk doesn't just show up. He is always here. You just don't see him.
I've had the misfortune of buying many overpriced tickets in my younger days. I had no credit card and no local outlets for shows at the Gorge etc, so I was always screwed. To this day I still see some of the same sleezy scalpers at shows as I did then. Bastards.
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Rusty
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Post by Rusty on Jan 23, 2014 14:03:54 GMT -8
Haha, Yeah my example was bad.
I was basically just saying that more people seem to set their ticket prices higher than face value. Is that wrong, yep. But I don't think it's because they are filthy assholes. Most people are not prolific ticket sellers, and they sell tickets the way they would sell their car. They want to gain back at least what they paid for it. So they set the price higher in case of a back and forth bargain ensues.
To answer Nick , yes the people that buy up 100's of tickets with the intention of profiting--running a scalping business are a lot worse than the guy that can't go to a show and marks his ticket up a bit to ensure he recoups the money he spent on it in the first place.
Basically what Davers said is my point. With every other item that sells on Craigslist, whether its housing, cars, ipods or...umm hotdogs. People mark the price as high as they want or as high as they think someone is willing to pay. Are they all terrible people? I don't think they are. So what makes tickets so special?
How about this: lets say there was a limited release of a record. Lets say only 1000 released. I buy one. A year later I try to sell it, am I going to set it at the price I bought it? Nope, because it's rare and limited...there are only 1000 made, and people will pay more to have this rare record. Supply and demand. Is that closer a closer example to tickets?
I'm totally anti-scalper, I was just bored and wanted to start a conversation. We can stop at any time. But your right, if Wonk sees this it will blow up...and he will call me an idiot.
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Post by Cysquatch on Jan 23, 2014 14:13:07 GMT -8
You know what else is fucked up? If I have an extra ticket I'll bring it and try to sell it at the venue for face, and sometimes those scalpers try to negotiate, and I know the fuckers are just going to sell it to some kid for more money.
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Post by davers on Jan 23, 2014 14:28:20 GMT -8
You know what else is fucked up? If I have an extra ticket I'll bring it and try to sell it at the venue for face, and sometimes those scalpers try to negotiate, and I know the fuckers are just going to sell it to some kid for more money. Those guys are totally different and I really don't have an issue with them at all. My friend had an extra ticket to a show, the usual scalper dude was standing outside and said he would give my friend $20 for the $40 ticket. The show wasn't sold out so he would have to sell it for less than $40. My friend said nope, waited 5 minutes for someone to go buy one from the box office and offered it to her for $30. She saved money, my friend got most of his money back and we all win. If my friend didn't want to wait, he had the option of selling it right away and losing some money. As far as I'm concerned those guys are providing a service. They show up at shows without tickets (for this example anyway) buy the extras floating around and sell them for more. Nothing is stopping anyone from holding up their hand and saying "I have an extra ticket! Would anyone like to buy it?" But they don't because they want to go into the show and don't have the patience to try and sell it. The buyers can do the same thing, I bought a ticket right in front of one of those scalper dudes, because I saw someone was going to sell a ticket to him for $25, so I offered her $30. He would have turned around and probably tried to get $40 for it, but I beat him to it. Those guys just make money off the lazy, I don't think what they are doing is immoral at all.
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Post by Cysquatch on Jan 23, 2014 14:37:32 GMT -8
Actually, from my experience most of those guys are there scalping tickets and also try to buy extras at reduced cost to expand their inventory. There are little gangs of them that hang out at the Gorge shows. You probably don't see them at Sasquatch anymore because of the new ticketing policies.
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Post by davers on Jan 23, 2014 14:47:19 GMT -8
The asshole hierarchy is as follows:
1. People who buy tickets with no intention of going and sell them for more money. Fuck those people.
2. People who buy tickets with the intention of going but then can't. They sell the tickets for more than face because they can. Misguided, but they aren't the devil.
3. The guys who buy and sell extras outside the venue to make money.
I have no issue with the third. In my experience, they show up with no tickets and try to buy peoples extras. Most of the time they don't even know who's playing. They know there are extra tickets, they speak up, make themselves known and make some money. It's like a consignment store. If I'm too lazy to sell my couch I can bring it to a store, they sell it and keep part of the money. I could have sold it on craigslist myself but fuck that, I'm lazy.
Someone can be #1 AND #3, in which case, fuck those people.
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Post by wonk on Jan 23, 2014 19:10:42 GMT -8
Sup?
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Post by emptyfox on Jan 23, 2014 19:12:34 GMT -8
So it's true, you are Candyman.
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Post by wonk on Jan 23, 2014 19:18:01 GMT -8
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Post by Professor Pancakes on Jan 23, 2014 19:31:59 GMT -8
So it's true, you are Canadian. -What my brain saw the first three times I read that sentence.
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