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Post by Pea on Mar 15, 2013 9:34:19 GMT -8
wonk wonk wonk
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Post by Pea on Mar 15, 2013 9:35:11 GMT -8
The 80s is Metallica. Fuck y'all.
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Post by Switch on Mar 15, 2013 9:36:09 GMT -8
Wow, HG, I was expecting you to log-on and bash everything everyone said but your Radiohead post was excellent. 16% nicer is right.
I thought we were talking about a single person though, not a band?
Anyway, if we are talking about an artist that changed the musical landscape I am still sticking with Beck.
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Post by Pea on Mar 15, 2013 9:39:27 GMT -8
This discussion is actually really fucking cool.
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Post by Switch on Mar 15, 2013 9:40:23 GMT -8
The 70's are tricky, but I'll stand by Floyd. When I listen to Pink Floyd I am enveloped in emotion, my life flashes before my eyes, and I am dead to the world until the album is over. Pink Floyd definitely wins.
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Post by Switch on Mar 15, 2013 9:42:07 GMT -8
You have to give the 80's to metal. Metallica or Guns n' Roses....mostly Slash.
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Post by Horned Gramma on Mar 15, 2013 9:45:12 GMT -8
I was going to say that Beck has gotten way too comfortable with himself, but then so have Radiohead.
It's really difficult to isolate singular musicians from their projects. You can't even really do that with Dave Grohl, because no matter how good/great he is you'll never be able to separate him from Nirvana. Initially, my Radiohead post designated Thom York specifically but that just didn't seem right. Similarly, you couldn't point to either John Lennon or Paul McCartney on their own because time has summarily proven that the parts are so much less than the whole in that case. Same goes for Dave Matthews Band, same goes for Floyd.
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Post by Cbats on Mar 15, 2013 9:49:15 GMT -8
The Beatles are the only one of those that can't be argued with, and even then some stupid people would argue The Stones or Beach Boys. Elvis is also indisputable. The 70's are tricky, but I'll stand by Floyd. In terms of impact on musicianship/style/albums/performance and popularity -- MASSIVE, then and now -- I think they take it. The 1980s were dark times. I fucking hate Phil Collins, but who else is there really? I really don't know who could compete with Elvis but I just didn't want to accept that he was that obvious of an answer. My list would look almost the same as yours (except fuck Phil Collins) but I just think that it's tough to pigeonhole a decade into one sound. I just don't see how you can actually decide that Pink Floyd or Led Zeppelin are the more important band. They're both so influential that it comes down to personal preference at that point. The other problem I have is that different bands meet different criteria. I mean, Dave Grohl's main appeal is that he is the quintessential frontman. More people like him as a person do as a musician. Thom Yorke is a cool dude but he just doesn't compare on a pop culture level in any way. Their impact is all in their music. I won't write a ton on this because I get pretty gushy really quickly but Kanye is one of the few people who manages to define the scene in sound AND culture. He completely dominated the airwaves in the 2000's and was ahead of the curve in basically every trend in rap music. No one from that decade even compares to the impact that he had.
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Post by Horned Gramma on Mar 15, 2013 9:49:58 GMT -8
Metal has to stay outside of this conversation -- not because I don't care for it, but because it has always been a niche. Metallica only really impacted the way other metal bands sounded. One of the most important qualifications here is popularity, and metal and pop music are mutually exclusive. Trust me, I'd much rather hand it to Metallica than Phil Collins, but Collins -- may his heart be skewered on a pike -- permeated all aspects of songwriting and production for a full decade. Add to that his work with Genesis (both pre- and post-Gabriel), and that fucker has had his dickish, ass-picking little fingers in every relevant pie there is.
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Post by Pea on Mar 15, 2013 9:52:04 GMT -8
Nah. Not Guns n Roses. They had one album in the late 80s. Metallica's greatest chunk of discography had already come out by then. There is no legacy to GnR. Just one album that people never shut the fuck up about.
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Post by Horned Gramma on Mar 15, 2013 9:53:00 GMT -8
Zeppelin is easy to dismiss because Zeppelin is one of those bands that really only matters to Zeppelin fans. Their music reached back into the more simplistic structures of the blues, whereas the acts on my list are all notable for reaching forward and creating new structures.
Trying to argue the Kanye point is futile. Cbats is basically just right about that.
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Post by Cbats on Mar 15, 2013 9:53:56 GMT -8
I don't know how much we're limiting the genres here but the 80's is Michael Jackson
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Post by Horned Gramma on Mar 15, 2013 9:54:35 GMT -8
I don't know how much we're limiting the genre's here but the 80's is Michael Jackson Ah. There you go. First half of the 90's probably goes to Jacko as well.
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Post by Drew on Mar 15, 2013 10:04:04 GMT -8
Yeah, Kanye is indisputably the right answer for the 00's. Leaving the 80's to be the wasteland of good popular music that we already knew it was.
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Post by Nadine Hurley on Mar 15, 2013 10:21:47 GMT -8
Except if you poll a thousand people, you'd be lucky to find one person that has heard of The Knife. They're absolutely one of my favorite bands, but they are far to reclusive to be considered iconic or important on a global musical scale. For now. When we look back on it in fifteen years, I bet that'll be different. I'm anticipating their trajectory.
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Post by Nadine Hurley on Mar 15, 2013 10:53:39 GMT -8
Elvis is also indisputable. I get that the debate is influence vs popularity and Elvis made that shit popular to white America. But the dudes who "influenced" Elvis(using that word very liberally- Elvis was a copy cat) should probably be mentioned as well if we're going to talk about how undeniable Elvis' importance was... Arthur Crudup, Joe Turner, Pinetop Perkins, Little Richard, etc. www.youtube.com/watch?v=st7u_E0rv3A
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Post by fairowen on Mar 15, 2013 10:56:34 GMT -8
This is awesome. I was gonna post but then HG said everything I wanted to. I just love talking about music. In my radio show the last two weeks I compared guitar based music and electronic music. It was super fun. I was so pigeon holed into one having to be better for most of the time I was making plays list. By the end though I just realized you can't really separate the two in very many notable ways. It really just comes back to that music is a creative element and there are different tools to do that creation.
Important is very much defined in my mind as net influence on the future of music. That could be through making music, speaking about music, or even performing music. Musically though you can't really define one thing is better then another. Like Dave said about Gangman style, you can't really say one thing is better then another. You can compare their influence and effect on people, but not their quality of music. The residents have some die hard fans that lose their shit over the residents and Brittany Spears has lots of die hard fans that like her music. You can't say that the residents are better because they redefine what is music and you can't say Brittany Spears is better because she makes pop hits that huge amounts of people are interested in. It is really just all relative to preference.
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Post by wompwomp on Mar 15, 2013 11:01:30 GMT -8
80's are definitely MJ, but I would argue Prince is right up there too.
For the 70's, I'm taking Springsteen.
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Post by fairowen on Mar 15, 2013 11:14:23 GMT -8
I am very satisfied with that as my 300 post.
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Post by Fig on Mar 15, 2013 16:44:25 GMT -8
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