Moi aussi. I've had some serious music moments to that album. I think because I was just getting into radiohead at that point (I know) and so I didn't have the huge un-overcomeable landmark albums in the past. It was all new and I could just take it all separately.
Post by JEFF OF THE RUSHES on Sept 29, 2011 0:53:31 GMT -5
I know almost nothing about Tool, and while the conversation makes me interested philosophically, I know I won't have the patience for it because I just don't like metal. This might reduce my man-points about 500%, but the way you guys are talking about Tool makes me think of Joanna Newsom. Wildly deliberate and complex songwriter that takes patience to get into. (And if you don't like it, you'll probably never like it).
Post by JEFF OF THE RUSHES on Sept 29, 2011 0:55:43 GMT -5
But if we're talking about Radiohead, well...
...I felt the same way about Hail to the Thief when it came out, and now it's one of my favorites. Since the Radiohead buzz this week I went back and listened to King of Limbs for the first time in months, and I realized all those chunes were in my head just buzzing to get out again. I feel like Radiohead has magic that makes their songs grow like a computer virus in your brain, to mix metaphors.
I firmly stand by the statement that Lateralus is the second greatest recorded song of all time after Stairway to Heaven.
Dont rage on me. I'm a Zeppelin/Tool superfan. I kind of view Tool as the Zeppelin of this generation.
If you posted this somewhere else on this thread - sorry for missing it - but i'm curious to know what your thoughts are on Tool's version of No Quarter... personally, i enjoy it more than the original by Led Zeppelin
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Post by The Horned Grandmother on Sept 29, 2011 10:15:14 GMT -5
Personally I don't think much of Hail to the Thief. It's one of the most poorly sequenced albums I think I've ever heard, and for every pretty good song on there there's another one that really should have been left off the record completely. I mean, if you HAVE to have three crawling, wailing dirges on your rock and roll album, why put all three of them right in the middle stretch?
Add to that the eye-blistering artwork and the hokey, Sufjan-y subtitles every song has and you can see why Radiohead fans were hesitant to take it seriously when it dropped. It was released on the same day as Grandaddy's Sumday, and by god I liked Sumday better. I was appalled.
I haven't, however, had the opportunity to see Radiohead perform since before Hail to the Thief came out, and I've heard from a lot of people that the material from that record is like fire from the sky when they play it live. My brain would probably blow a fuse during 'Sit down. Stand up.'.
Well let it be said that I was wrong about Tool. I'm going to spend some good time here for awhile familiarizing myself more with their records -- "It doesn't matter the type, if I hear it enough times I'll like it more..." -- but my previous feelings about them completely fell apart after listening to them all afternoon on the bus.
I appreciate you taking the time to school me a little bit on the subject today, misterl.
The awesome feeling of turning someone on to one of your favorite bands NEVER fades. You are very welcome and to think I tried not to come on too strong with it. I've spent oodles of time analyzing their lyrics and have found so much inspiration in life through their music. Their sound, ideals, lyrics and philosphy really helped shape the core of who I am.
Whoever mentioned their music was about self discovery couldn't be more right. Ride the spiral.
Tool's cover of No Quarter is on par with the original which few bands can claim to have achieved with Zeppelin's music. I think its important to note that they make the song their own without losing or changing too much from the Zeppelin version. I'm ultra critical of any Zeppelin cover I hear so I don't dole out these compliments lightly.
Tool is scarecely metal. You don't find the constant wailing drowned over by power chords and fast drums. I know thats a terrible blanket statement but its hard to like 'regular' metal when you're a huge Tool fan. Lyrically it NEVER compares and no band has the synchronicty of lyrics, voice, guitar, drums, and overall sound in that genre like Tool does. I like to think Mudvayne comes real close, their lyrics are ultra thoughtful and poetic and their song diversity is awesome. Sadly they didn't really maintain that greatness beyond their first few albums.
Everything has to be categorized so Tool generally gets washed into metal and maybe that was justifiable prior to Lateralus, but the progressive sound of that album shatters the stereotype. If there is a relevant group out their with lyrics as intelligent and philosophical as Maynard's with a cohesive sound to reinforce it I haven't heard them. Smart and powerful with one of the best drummer's in the world. I've said it on these boards before and I'll say it again - Tool at the Gorge is the best concert I've ever fucking seen and I long for the day that a band can put on a better show.
Another interesting thing to note regarding the Zeppelin/Tool comparison is that Danney Carey is also involved with Black Magic and has traveled throughout the world to learn musical incantations whilst familiarizing himself with the unique cultural sounds of the world. Zeppelin also did that as I imagine any transcendant group of musicians has.
"“Men have been taught that it is a virtue to agree with others. But the creator is the man who disagrees. Men have been taught that it is a virtue to swim with the current. But the creator is the man who goes against the current. Men have been taught that it is a virtue to stand together. But the creator is the man who stands alone"