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Post by interstateeight on Oct 12, 2011 18:21:38 GMT -8
I'm trying to see amon tobin this new years eve. his stage would be amazing at the gorge. My girlfriend cut that dude's hair a few days ago and even though it was recent, it has gotten my nine rounded up way more than I can even count. Kings of Leon sold out the Gorge less than six months after they played Sasquatch. Even if the exact numbering is off, thank you, HG. I am going to make a new thread called "ARGUMENTS ABOUT SASQUATCH THAT BELONG IN THE PAST" and I'll relocate all posts about "bands too big for Sasquatch" to that thread.
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Post by Horned Gramma on Oct 12, 2011 19:26:34 GMT -8
Hilarious. I guessed at one glance that your girlfriend was a hairdresser.
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Post by J-Dawg on Oct 12, 2011 20:17:04 GMT -8
Also, ravers, will you please come up with a better name than EDM? I can't stand writing that. Paging Stereophonic moderators, maybe a word is in order?
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Post by interstateeight on Oct 12, 2011 20:34:55 GMT -8
Hilarious. I guessed at one glance that your girlfriend was a hairdresser. Well that's impressive.
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Post by Horned Gramma on Oct 13, 2011 7:06:09 GMT -8
I've known a lot of hairdressers.
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Post by Friendly Destroyer on Oct 13, 2011 7:12:07 GMT -8
I've known a lot of hairdressers. This sounds like a lyric from a lost track on Swordfishtrombones.
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Post by Horned Gramma on Oct 13, 2011 7:18:32 GMT -8
I've known a lot of hairdressers. But not many of 'em have known me. Down some back-alley scrub where the light plays no tricks. Ahhh, there were strange times in Memphis. Waaaaoooowwwwaooowwwwwww...
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Post by davers on Oct 13, 2011 10:28:56 GMT -8
Kings of Leon sold out the Gorge less than six months after they played Sasquatch. I know I am a bit late on this, but I was going to say that even if a band can sell out the gorge on their own doesnt mean they wont play Sasquatch. Selling out one show for $80 (is that what a single Gorge show costs?) doesnt mean that if you play a $300 fest it will automatically sell the same amount of tickets. Pemberton had Jay Z, Tom Petty, Coldplay and NIN and they just bearly sold all of their 40000 tickets. And this was back in 2008 when NIN and Coldplay were more popular than they are today and Jay Z was probably as popular. Each of those bands (except maybe NIN) could probably sell 20-30K tickets to an arena show. I was also going to say that people dont just go to fests for the headliners, but then this post reminded me of the first show I ever saw at Sasquatch. First day of 2009, I wander into the Gorge around 2:00 with my friends, we sit down on the hill to watch some Doves. We say hi to the people beside us and this kid asks "So, are you guys gunna stay here until the Kings of Leon?". I gave him a look like he was a crazy person. It completly boggled my mind that someone would sit in the same spot for 10 hours when they dont even seem to give 2 shits about the other bands at the festival. My 2 cents, Radiohead could headline, but I wouldnt bet on it.
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Post by Warily on Oct 13, 2011 10:58:13 GMT -8
All I want for a headliner is Sigur Rós...that would make my life complete to be honest. While it's still a blind wish, at least they're touring next year.
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Post by Cbats on Oct 13, 2011 11:15:37 GMT -8
Interesting thoughts Daver's but I'll just throw out the fact that Pemberton existed for only one year....There's a reason that it doesn't exist anymore and those bands you listed are probably a major part of it.
Sasquatch is thriving and probably incredibly profitable, no reason to shake up the system
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Post by alex on Oct 13, 2011 11:31:16 GMT -8
Pemberton doesn't exist anymore for a combination of the following reasons:
1) Very very out of the way. The only way to get there other than the Sea-to-Sky Highway was on a 2-lane mountain road with 1 lane wooden bridges crossing very fast-moving water. 2) It was held on "prime potato farming land" (seriously) and 40,000 people stomping their way around a dusty field for 5 days did some serious damage to the next year's crop, which led to delayed approval of a permit for the following year. 3) Security walked off on the 2nd day. At least most of them. 4) It was a logistical nightmare to shuttle 40,000 people from remote "parking lots" (see: rail yards and local airport) to the site while maintaining a very strict list of prohibited items. 5) The layout and maintenance of the site was severely limited due to space constraints. 6) The organizer (Shane Bourbannais of Live Nation) was a local-boy who realized his dream by staging a show in his hometown. After Pemberton he was promoted, and was no longer in a position to make it happen again. 7) Locals were pissed off at the influx of drunk/high 15-30yr olds, even though they pumped millions of dollars into the local economy 8) The local aboriginal population was very upset with the amount of pollution and waste, especially considering the bulk of it was dumped at their reserve's waste management centre after the show was over 9) Rock slide on Sea-to-Sky highway 1 day after the festival concluded
I don't believe for a second that the headliners (or any acts for that matter) had any bearing on it only being a one-off festival. Any of those bands could (or have) played Sasquatch or any other major festival.
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Post by Cbats on Oct 13, 2011 11:36:27 GMT -8
Pemberton doesn't exist anymore for a combination of the following reasons: 1) Very very out of the way. The only way to get there other than the Sea-to-Sky Highway was on a 2-lane mountain road with 1 lane wooden bridges crossing very fast-moving water. 2) It was held on "prime potato farming land" (seriously) and 40,000 people stomping their way around a dusty field for 5 days did some serious damage to the next year's crop, which led to delayed approval of a permit for the following year. 3) Security walked off on the 2nd day. At least most of them. 4) It was a logistical nightmare to shuttle 40,000 people from remote "parking lots" (see: rail yards and local airport) to the site while maintaining a very strict list of prohibited items. 5) The layout and maintenance of the site was severely limited due to space constraints. 6) The organizer (Shane Bourbannais of Live Nation) was a local-boy who realized his dream by staging a show in his hometown. After Pemberton he was promoted, and was no longer in a position to make it happen again. 7) Locals were pissed off at the influx of drunk/high 15-30yr olds, even though they pumped millions of dollars into the local economy 8) The local aboriginal population was very upset with the amount of pollution and waste, especially considering the bulk of it was dumped at their reserve's waste management centre after the show was over 9) Rock slide on Sea-to-Sky highway 1 day after the festival concluded I don't believe for a second that the headliners (or any acts for that matter) had any bearing on it only being a one-off festival. Any of those bands could (or have) played Sasquatch or any other major festival. very thorough and interesting explanation. All I was getting at is that they bit off more than they could chew but booking all those headliners. I would be very curious to find out how much money they lost though
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Post by davers on Oct 13, 2011 11:57:55 GMT -8
I read somewhere that they lost about 12 million, which is a shit load.
The organizers explaination for this was that it being the first year, they had many unforseen problems and when you have to fix something quick the only solution is to throw a boat load of money at it.
I read in an article before the fest and they said they werent expecting it to sell out the first year, but with the release of single day tickets they were very close (and I believe it did end up selling out). I find it very hard to believe that they would run a sell out a fest they didnt expect to sell out with the expectation of losing money. They did spend a lot on their headliners, but I dont think they spent more than they expected to make in ticket sales.
The entire thing was a gigantic clusterfuck and they had to get so many things last minute. Basically everything alex said is right.
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Post by alex on Oct 13, 2011 12:30:07 GMT -8
If I had to speculate, I'd say the non-stop shuttle buses running back and forth combined with unforseen overtime costs for security staff is what killed it. That and the insane amount of cleanup and transportation costs.
Imagine if Sasquatch was put on at The Gorge, but there was no Interstate nearby, they had to build and take down everything every year, transport every single staff member there (or reimburse), and you weren't allowed to drive your car to your site. That's basically what Live Nation was looking at. It's not really a surprise to me that Sasquatch suddenly got a lot more attention starting in 2009. Live Nation realized they already had a Pemberton, and it costs them a lot less money to do it at The Gorge.
But that's just...like...my opinion, man.
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Post by davers on Oct 13, 2011 14:15:03 GMT -8
Pretty much. They expected to lose money the first year, most fests do, but I dont think they intentionally over-spent on the lineup with plans of cheaping out the next year to make a profit.
The idea is to keep the lineup budget more or less the same while learning where you can save some money by planning ahead or cutting back underused services.
Much like Sasquatch did in the beginning and what Live at Squamish is doing now; start small, deal with problems before they become a disaster and make it better every year.
I think we are getting off topic now, I wish for Radiohead, and I think there is a chance of it happening.
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Post by alex on Oct 13, 2011 14:24:21 GMT -8
I honestly think that Sigur Ros will be at Sasquatch 2012. My wish is for both a Sigur Ros set and a Jonsi set...
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Post by StormyPinkness on Oct 13, 2011 14:56:36 GMT -8
WHEATUS!
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Post by Cysquatch on Oct 13, 2011 15:23:49 GMT -8
Much like Sasquatch did in the beginning and what Live at Squamish is doing now; start small, deal with problems before they become a disaster and make it better every year. Sasquatch had the advantage of being held at a well established venue, that had hosted festivals prior to it's creation.
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Post by know ID yuh on Oct 13, 2011 21:22:01 GMT -8
This might reduce my man-points about 500%. 500% of zero is still zero.
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Post by Pea on Oct 13, 2011 21:43:47 GMT -8
Yaaaaaay Know is back!!!!
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