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Post by davers on Sept 21, 2011 15:17:20 GMT -8
And what kind of whacky crap are you guys smoking if you think they would drop the fourth day without dropping the price? Based on the fact that it will sell out anyway and they like to make money, I would say it's possible. I thought the price hikes this year were pretty steep. Correct me if I am wrong, but a 3 day pass in 2010 was something around 170 depending on when you bought. Add on 1/4 of a camping pass, assuming you have 4 in a car, like I always do, and the total came to $200 for 3 days with fees (I could be remembering the fees wrong though). 200/3 = $66.66/day 285/4 = $71.25/day Yeah, its only $5 difference/day, but when you figure Friday was a half assed day and do this: 285/3.5 = $81.43/day it starts to seem a lot more expensive. Bottom line is this will sell out and they have already established at least 25000 people have $285 to spend on tickets. I think there will be a big uproar if they dont drop the price for 3 days, but people will forget soon enough.
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Post by know ID yuh on Sept 21, 2011 15:41:38 GMT -8
So they are going to increase the per day price to $95 from $67 in 2010, then be the most expensive three day festival in the U.S. with a joke of a lineup in comparisson? You are overestimating how many people will go no matter what, and how much of a sure thing a sellout is.
Not to mention last year wasn't really a true sell-out, and Friday only became a half day after they took the first wave of tickets off sale. They will certainly have to up their game this year to sell out again, and a $30 per day markup is a laughable way of doing it.
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Post by davers on Sept 21, 2011 17:39:53 GMT -8
So they are going to increase the per day price to $95 from $67 in 2010, then be the most expensive three day festival in the U.S. with a joke of a lineup in comparisson? You are overestimating how many people will go no matter what, and how much of a sure thing a sellout is. Not to mention last year wasn't really a true sell-out, and Friday only became a half day after they took the first wave of tickets off sale. They will certainly have to up their game this year to sell out again, and a $30 per day markup is a laughable way of doing it. I hope you're right. I wouldnt be shocked if they charge 70 a day after fees without camping, that puts it around 240 for the weekend. This year coachella is 269 plus fees and camping is 75. Assuming 4 per car, thats 96 bucks a day before fees. I know Coachella > Sasquatch, but they havent been that far appart in price the last few years. And hey, we are assuming they are going to make it 3 days. I enjoyed 4 days a lot more than I thought I would this year and I would be thrilled if it was 4 days again this year.
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Post by alex on Sept 21, 2011 20:34:43 GMT -8
Has there been a major or semi-major festival that has expanded 1 year and contracted the year after that wasn't prompted by lackluster ticket sales?
Fact is they sold out a 4 (or 3.5) day festival at $285+. If you think they're going to drop the price or drop the number of days you're high.
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Post by know ID yuh on Sept 21, 2011 22:33:25 GMT -8
I think it was the combination of adding a 4th day and doing it as an all-inclusive ticket where everybody's camping is included rather than 1 camping ticket per car or whatever. This way they can drop the 4th day and still point to the addition of the camping pass as a reason to keep the price where it is. I mean I hope I'm wrong. The cheaper the ticket, the better it is for me. I just can't see it happening. Has there been a major or semi-major festival that has expanded 1 year and contracted the year after that wasn't prompted by lackluster ticket sales? Fact is they sold out a 4 (or 3.5) day festival at $285+. If you think they're going to drop the price or drop the number of days you're high.If I could comprehend what point you are trying to make, I would disagree with you.
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Post by emptyfox on Sept 21, 2011 23:45:30 GMT -8
Don't worry, he disagrees with himself so you don't have to.
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Post by Fig on Sept 22, 2011 0:15:13 GMT -8
Meta arguing
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Post by alex on Sept 22, 2011 7:39:52 GMT -8
The point I'm trying to make is that even if they do drop back to 3 days they can still justify a higher price because they've added value to the ticket by packaging it with camping and no additional fees. I never said that they would drop the price or drop the number of days, I just said that they could drop the number of days without dropping the price. It would make a lot of sense for their bottom line.
I really can't see any reason for them to drop the 4th day though.
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Post by Horned Gramma on Sept 22, 2011 7:46:10 GMT -8
Sasquatch: Hey everyone, we've added a FOURTH DAY to the Sasquatch Festival! That makes it a whole one day bigger than all of the other major U.S. America festivals! Guy: But all of those other festivals have far superior lineups to yours, Sasquatch. Wouldn't it make more sense to just make yours a three-day festival with a much better lineup? Sasquatch: Yes, well... But we have a fourth day.
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Post by fairowen on Sept 22, 2011 11:02:54 GMT -8
The difference between sasquatch and many of the other major festivals is the gorge has a capacity that can't expand. So instead they have to add another day to expand.
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Post by Horned Gramma on Sept 22, 2011 11:09:37 GMT -8
That would be a sound argument if there hadn't been vast stretches of time on Friday when there were no bands playing. If Friday had had a full lineup (or hell, even a 3/4 lineup) I don't think as many people would have problems with that decision.
I am all for a four day festival, but not if the additional day is going to be as ragtag as it was in 2011.
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Post by StormyPinkness on Sept 22, 2011 11:27:03 GMT -8
Yes. The day didn't start until like 5 and it was not full by any means.
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Post by kymess_jr on Sept 22, 2011 11:37:40 GMT -8
Last year they made a big deal out of the fourth day being special because of the ten year anniversary, so I dont think they'll keep it this year. But I don't think they're gonna want to drop the price back down.
With Coachella being two weekends this year though they're going to have to do something to compete, especially if they do go back to 3 days. I see them either 1) dropping the price down by like $20 so they're cheaper than Coachella but making camping separate again or 2) leaving the price and making the claim that camping's included now so it's a better value.
No matter what, I figure it's gonna cost me roughly the same as last year.
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Post by know ID yuh on Sept 22, 2011 11:47:36 GMT -8
Second time now (or third?), they are not eliminating a day without dropping the price. No one will go.
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Post by Horned Gramma on Sept 22, 2011 11:58:55 GMT -8
I don't know if anyone has thought of this yet, but worst case scenario would be that they would go back to a three-day festival but keep the price exactly as it was last year.
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Post by alex on Sept 22, 2011 12:03:36 GMT -8
I'd like to say "We'll see" but we won't, because they're not going to eliminate a day OR drop the price. If they do either, I'll buy you a beer to make amends for whatever I did to offend you.
We cool?
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Post by StormyPinkness on Sept 22, 2011 12:47:20 GMT -8
FUCK ALL Y'ALL THEY ARE CHANGING IT TO TWO DAYS AND CHARGING AN EXTRA HUNDO
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Post by alex on Sept 22, 2011 12:59:38 GMT -8
Imagine the lineup they could afford with a few mill extra and 1 less day of expenses. Shit.
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Post by Horned Gramma on Sept 22, 2011 13:13:19 GMT -8
One less day of expenses = one less day of revenue.
Hmm... Crazy thought: what if they dropped the fourth day but didn't change the ticket prices from 2011?
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Post by StormyPinkness on Sept 22, 2011 13:16:16 GMT -8
HONESTLY I THINK IT IS MORE LIKELY THAT THEY WILL MAINTAIN THE TICKET PRICES BUT DO AWAY WITH LOUD FRIDAY
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