Post by The Horned Grandmother on Mar 2, 2013 17:06:44 GMT -5
Yeah, I know you're not going to turn your back for five seconds and then turn back to find your kid scarfing down shrooms. Kids inherently know better than that, I think, just like most adults know that taking their kids to spend five consecutive days standing in 90 degree heat, driving rain or brutal dime-sized hail while having their youthful little eardrums constantly blasted by noise levels such as those that permeate the Gorge Amphitheater on Memorial Day Weekend is generally unwise.
I've been going to shows since I was twelve years old; I know it's possible to impart cultural knowledge to young people without submitting them to the test of endurance that is a music festival because I couldn't find a sitter.
Haha, nope. Not looking for a sitter smart-ass. Sunscreen, earplugs and water might solve all of these problems you have seemed to run into over the years though
Here's another one to make you gasp HG
Edit: image removed due to creepers.
This was in Seattle on my kids birthday. We went to see his favorite artist at the time, Bassnectar. Rad show, I wish I had as many pretty girls rubbing the top of my head and calling me cutie as my kids did.
Last Edit: Mar 13, 2013 2:56:11 GMT -5 by DARTH JEFF
A) Wish I had a dad (he's not dead, just a deadbeat) B) And if I did I wish he would have been half as cool as you to let me experience my passion for music however I wanted
Thanks man. Seriously, I really appreciate that. It seems like there is always a split as to how people will react to kids at a festival (usually only until they meet them). The fact remains that my boys are always just as excited as me, if not more. They keep me motivated to do cool things and it's rad to share those experiences with them. They are STOKED for this year!
If you see a heavily tattooed guy with two kids (I'm sure there won't be many of us), throw us a high-five! My kids and I put together a video of our trip from last year, I'll put it up on the board cause it's pretty rad.
Last Edit: Mar 3, 2013 0:16:47 GMT -5 by DARTH JEFF
Alright, got it. So my kids and I filmed a bunch of our trip and they put together this video (and created the soundtrack). They named it "Best of Sasquatch" because in their eyes these are the best clips we recorded. AND HOLY SHIT, I just saw that it has 4692 views, damn! Anyways, here it is.
Last Edit: Mar 3, 2013 0:28:02 GMT -5 by DARTH JEFF
... and yeah it's 20 minutes, but considering the 3 of us were shooting little videos and taking pics for 4 days I think they did a great job piecing together the whole experience. I wish the St.Vincent video wasn't so shakey from us raging, that applies to a lot that weren't included in this.
Last Edit: Mar 3, 2013 7:18:40 GMT -5 by DARTH JEFF
Post by The Horned Grandmother on Mar 3, 2013 15:34:04 GMT -5
You are only responding to segments of what I am saying, which is generally what people do when they are wrong. I can help.
1.) Like I said, there is nothing wrong with taking your kids to shows. It is a good and important thing to do. Like I SAID[/b], I have been going to shows since I was twelve years old. Exposing your children to the culture is entirely appropriate. Exposing your children to people making poor decisions and explaining why they shouldn't make the same mistakes is basic parenting. But exposing your children to circumstances which could do long-term physical damage is selfish and idiotic.
2.) Just because your kids want to go to Sasquatch and have a really great time doing it isn't a legitimate reason for taking them to the Gorge for five days. Kids generally want to eat potato chips for dinner and never go to bed ever, and if you let them do that they'd probably say they have the most awesome dad in the world but it wouldn't make it true.
3.) Stop projecting shit on me. Just because I (correctly) indicate that dehydration, hearing damage and heat stroke are concerns for small children doesn't mean that I regularly have those experiences. But I am an adult and I know how to take care of myself. A nine-year-old does not know how to take care of himself any more than... well, any more than YOU do, apparently.
To be clear, this is not a personal attack against you -- I've said pretty much exactly this same thing to people using the board to feel out whether they should bring their children (or their pets) to Sasquatch. This is an experience that is OBVIOUSLY designed for adults. OBVIOUSLY. You can make justifications all day long, but it's not going to convince me. It's just going to make you seem more and more like you are fishing for people to re-enforce your bad parenting.
I'm not a fan of kids, and yes babies do hate Sasquatch. But if this guy wants to bring his like 10 year old kids and have a great fucking time ( clearly, based on that awesome video) then all the power to him.
Dehydration and hearing damage? Ya that shit will happen to me because I'm a big drunk idiot, or the average Sasquatcher because they are high on high drugz. But I'm going to assume that he will be a sober responsible parent and protect his children from basic dehydration and fucking hearing damage, which honestly wouldn't be that fucking hard. I'd probably be hydrated if I wasn't perma-drunk.
I like this guy, he seems like a cool guy. He is teaching is kids cool shit so hopefully they won't turn into monsters like all the other kids ( although they probably will because they are kids). What is the malfunction?
I have to agree on this one. I know for a fact that if I had kids I could pack and prepare well enough that they would want for nothing the whole festival. If I can do it, so can other people. There is a line where it crosses in to bad parenting, but I think 5kater is plenty far away from that line.
I gotta say HG this is one of your worst arguments, mainly 'cause you've based the whole thing on assumptions. And that main assumption seems to be that Darth is a neglectful, ignorant parent. This is something I'm gonna take offence to on his behalf.
Heat, dehydration, excessive noise levels -- these dangerous "circumstances which could [potentially] do long-term physical damage" were already addressed by Darth as something he has prepared for with water, sunscreen and ear plugs. And as far as I know, I have no other evidence to say he and his kids aren't adequately prepped for each day of the fest. In fact, in the picture he posted, I see a dad with a back pack I'm going to assume is full of supplies and two kids that are properly wearing layers and hats. So for now just back off his parenting skills and decisions until we have proof that they should be questioned.
And do not say that taking his kids to a music festival is reason enough to question his parenting because it's simply not. It is completely possible to bring children to Sasquatch and successfully parent while traversing the perils of extreme weather and drunk/high people and long days full of strenuous activity and loud music. It's a big undertaking though.
Do I think all parents are capable of taking on this challenge? No. Do I think any of the parents that have come to the board asking if they should bring their kids are capable of taking on this challenge? Definitely not. A parent who knows they can handle all those other tasks on top of their usual parenting wouldn't even need to come to some internet board for validation of their decision. And in this case, Darth is most certainly not doing that as he has stated he's already done it and done it successfully.
Also, HG, I don't know how many 9 year olds you've had experience raising but the majority aren't so incapable of taking care of themselves as you're implying. Yes, they still need guidance and supervision but they are at an age where they can vocalize if they're hungry or tired or sore, and they tend to do so quite loudly and annoyingly too. I have no doubt that Darth is managing to monitor himself and his boys effectively throughout the day -- he's probably even doing a better job at monitoring 3 individuals than any of us are doing at monitoring just ourselves considering he's sober and cognizant that he has two beings completely dependent on him for their survival.
In general, I agree with your sentiment that people shouldn't bring their kids, especially when they're younger. Right now I know I wouldn't want to, but that's mostly because of the way I want to experience the festival and children have no place in that. But Darth isn't choosing to party the way any of us do and I just don't buy it when you say that your rant isn't directed at him or isn't in any way supposed to come off as personal.
Last Edit: Mar 3, 2013 17:25:21 GMT -5 by kymess_jr