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« Reply #210 on Feb 14, 2011, 1:05am »
By the way people, the last post is not meant to be antagonistic or snobby to people's taste in music. It's an opinion that takes time and and most times opportunity for a certain musical exposure. It's a journey, just do yourself a favor and keep an open mind and willingness to explore or re-explore along the way.
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« Reply #211 on Feb 14, 2011, 10:44am »

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« Reply #212 on Feb 14, 2011, 11:17am »

Feb 14, 2011, 12:48am, Friendly Destroyer wrote:

Feb 13, 2011, 10:30pm, jsquared wrote:
Now I'm curious. While I do enjoy Bright Eyes, I don't know whether I would label him best songwriter of our generation. Saying that I am curious about who you think does hold this title in our day and age. Music journalists have been looking to bestow this title on someone since Dylan showed up on the scene and if anyone wants to argue the brilliance of Dylan from 1961 to 1975 regardless of his vocal stylings I'll happily get into it.


This is coming from a fan of Dylan,

People who peg Dylan as the Greatest songwriter of all time strike me as very limited in what they want from and perhaps know about music. I'm gonna keep this short, but songwriting encompasses so much more than lyrics.

I place guys like Dylan in the category of "Personalities that Successfully Inject Their DNA into Traditional Music". It makes things interesting and pretty much all of the ideas are being expressed verbally and the music itself stays steady and pretty organic as it carries these ideas. Though to reign supreme in this category it takes real talent and musical knowledge (Some of my favorites would belong here). It is not as simple as putting your broken thoughts from your diary to a Country/Rock/Roots Soundtrack like one Mr. Bright Fart.

The other category I feel is where the true songwriting geniuses lie. This would be music that is carried at times both verbally and creatively in a musical sense that transcends the labeling of any traditional style. It concentrates in finding new sounds and the ability to write intricate melodies with the addition of lyrics that serve both to express creative ideas or to act as musical tools on their own (repitition, samples, Theory of Phonetic Organization). Often the artist's "DNA" is injected by literally creating music to express their ideas (opposed to expressing their ideas via an already established form) These are also songwriters who know how to do brain candy pop songs (ie catchy chunes that are not easily described as Country/Rock/Roots or Folk). People that fall into this category of songwriting would be the likes of Brian Wilson, John and Paul, or John and John. Again I'll keep things short, but basically I find there exists much more versatility in this category and it offers far more rewarding experience for the listener.

Doesn't mean as a listener you need to be exclusive to one or the other, but again I think the true songwriting kings/queens belong in the belt sander. Some musicians really are 100% part of both worlds. I'll go with a familiar name here and say that Tom Waits is a prime example of this (I personally believe Neil Young to be here too).

To recap: Bright Farts is not at all a genius in either.


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« Reply #213 on Feb 14, 2011, 11:29am »
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« Reply #214 on Feb 14, 2011, 11:35am »

Feb 14, 2011, 12:48am, Friendly Destroyer wrote:

This is coming from a fan of Dylan,

People who peg Dylan as the Greatest songwriter of all time strike me as very limited in what they want from and perhaps know about music. I'm gonna keep this short, but songwriting encompasses so much more than lyrics.



I'm not even that big of a dylan fan but this seems like a weird distinction to make. I understand that you're just trying to create a distinction between lyricist and composer (which is what I think you really mean), but it seems like a reach. Simplicity can be a beautiful thing and Dylan did some incredible things with just a guitar and harmonica.

Dylan isn't even close to one of my favorite artists but I don't really know many artists with a broader and more influential body of work. I think you hit on two good examples of people who can compete (neil young and Tom Waits) but it seems kind of condescending to dismiss people who pick one answer because it's the most popular.

tl;dr: what the fuck did this have to do with Bright Eyes? Dude isn't even worth mentioning on this level (and I kinda like him)

pps: songwriter duos are cheating, get that shit out of here
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« Reply #215 on Feb 14, 2011, 11:54am »
Did you just call Dylan's body of work 'broad'? Influential up to a point (a point which falls roughly fifteen years ago), but broad? Dude did one thing over and over and over again; does it still.

I'd say songwriters of the moment are more heavily influenced by, like, Burt Bacharach and Harry Nilsson than Bob Dylan.
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« Reply #216 on Feb 14, 2011, 12:58pm »
Me like music, music good.

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« Reply #217 on Feb 14, 2011, 4:02pm »

Feb 14, 2011, 12:58pm, funnygrrl wrote:
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« Reply #218 on Feb 14, 2011, 4:36pm »

Feb 14, 2011, 11:54am, Horned Gramma wrote:
Did you just call Dylan's body of work 'broad'? Influential up to a point (a point which falls roughly fifteen years ago), but broad? Dude did one thing over and over and over again; does it still.

I'd say songwriters of the moment are more heavily influenced by, like, Burt Bacharach and Harry Nilsson than Bob Dylan.


I wouldn't say he has been doing the same thing over and over again at all. Just look at the traditional folk albums he started with to the more rock influenced albums he went towards. The music he is playing these days are pretty much straight up blues albums. Go to a Dylan show and he reworks his catalog to the sound he is currently playing. Sometimes this amazing and sometimes it is bewildering. I saw him once and did not recognize some of my favorite songs until a minute in.
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« Reply #219 on Feb 14, 2011, 5:39pm »
Yes I can't say I'd go see him now a days. I got lucky and saw him open for the Grateful Dead four shows before Jerry passed away. It was the time of his unplugged album and he delivered an acoustic and an electric set that were just awesome. Though I feel HG is optimistic as it's been twenty five since Dylan's quality period. One other name that hasn't been mentioned is Elivs Costello. You would have to agree that this man has spanned many genres and is still actually releasing relevant music today. Add that to the pure brilliance of his first three albums and I think he should be considered as one of the all time greats.
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« Reply #220 on Feb 14, 2011, 5:41pm »
Ooooooohhhhh, no. The years have not been kind to Elvis' material.

Man when that guy lost his muse he lost it BAD.
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« Reply #221 on Feb 14, 2011, 5:44pm »
Tis true but he did go in all sorts of directions. I personally have a hard time thinking of anybody who has only released pure gold for their entire career. I came to the conclusion a long time ago that just because you really like a singer or band does not mean everything they do is gold.
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« Reply #222 on Feb 14, 2011, 5:48pm »

Feb 14, 2011, 5:44pm, jsquared wrote:
I personally have a hard time thinking of anybody who has only released pure gold for their entire career.


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« Reply #223 on Feb 14, 2011, 5:50pm »

Feb 14, 2011, 5:39pm, jsquared wrote:
Yes I can't say I'd go see him now a days. I got lucky and saw him open for the Grateful Dead four shows before Jerry passed away. It was the time of his unplugged album and he delivered an acoustic and an electric set that were just awesome. Though I feel HG is optimistic as it's been twenty five since Dylan's quality period. One other name that hasn't been mentioned is Elivs Costello. You would have to agree that this man has spanned many genres and is still actually releasing relevant music today. Add that to the pure brilliance of his first three albums and I think he should be considered as one of the all time greats.


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« Reply #224 on Feb 14, 2011, 5:59pm »
I love when I get to see bands I love live especially when I know it's a once in a lifetime event for me. My collection is diverse and tailored only along the lines of "if I like to listen to it then it belongs in my collection." Wondering if anybody here listens to Joel Plaskett? (Ps also saw Eric's Trip last show back in 1995.)
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