The Kings kept amazing composure and indeed played text book hockey for all of the playoffs. It worked and good for them, but it still bored me. If I am paying $150 a ticket to see a game I don't want to see a bunch of guys out doing their job like they have done it hundreds of times before. I want to see some emotion; panic, anger, desperation and bad choices (not the ones that hurt people though). The Kings didn't seem to have any of that for almost the entire playoffs and that's what it was hardly worth watching for me.
I didn't mean to imply he was the only reason they won, but he was a huge part of their success. He had an amazing 1.41 GAA in the playoffs. You have to give some credit to the defence on that, but what about his .946 save average? Not a single goalie was able to do that over the regular season or in the playoffs.
Put an average goalie in net for the Kings and at the very least they would not have such an impressive record at the end of it all, and it's possible they would not have even made the finals at all.
My main issue with the Kings play is that they don't force the issue enough. They are fantastically patient and wait for the other team to screw up, make them pay and then hold that lead. Few teams in the NHL can sit on a 2 goal lead in the 1st and make it work, but the Kings can.
You can call me an uneducated hockey fan that just wants to see highlight reel goals one after the other, but that isn't it either. That Pittsburgh/Philly series was stupid in the other direction and would frustrate the hell out of me if I had to watch that on a regular basis.
The Kings kept amazing composure and indeed played text book hockey for all of the playoffs. It worked and good for them, but it still bored me. If I am paying $150 a ticket to see a game I don't want to see a bunch of guys out doing their job like they have done it hundreds of times before. I want to see some emotion; panic, anger, desperation and bad choices (not the ones that hurt people though). The Kings didn't seem to have any of that for almost the entire playoffs and that's what it was hardly worth watching for me.
As much as I enjoy teasing you because you can't handle it, this is one of the worst fan boy posts I've read about any sport in a long time. You asked me to call you an uneducated hockey fan, so I will. As you say, "the Kings displayed no emotion, panic, anger, or desperation." They just played text book playoff hockey, and dominated the playoffs. So what the fuck is your problem, other than you didn't see a Triple Lutz or a Butterfly Jump from your famed Canfucks. You are a fairweather fan, and knew nothing about hockey until the Canfucks started winning a couple years ago with their paired twist lifts.
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Re: CANUCKS! and those other Hockey teams, I guess « Reply #798 on Jun 12, 2012, 2:47am »
Fuckin A, Kings!
I would just like to reiterate that I picked those assholes to win at the beginning of the playoffs. I have my first ever adopted team. FEELS GOOD, BRO.
As much as I enjoy teasing you because you can't handle it, this is one of the worst fan boy posts I've read about any sport in a long time. You asked me to call you an uneducated hockey fan, so I will. As you say, "the Kings displayed no emotion, panic, anger, or desperation." They just played text book playoff hockey, and dominated the playoffs. So what the fuck is your problem, other than you didn't see a Triple Lutz or a Butterfly Jump from your famed Canfucks. You are a fairweather fan, and knew nothing about hockey until the Canfucks started winning a couple years ago with their paired twist lifts.
I'd actually say the Canucks are going in the same direction as far as lack of intensity goes. When the Canucks lost to the Kings in the opening round of this years playoffs they played most of the series as if it was a pickup game in someone's back yard.
Had I not been a Canucks fan my whole life I would likely find it a lot more difficult to get behind them now because they seem to care less and less, despite being a winning team.
Hockey, just like any spectator sport, is about entertainment. Different people find different aspects of the games entertaining, so there is no right or wrong way to play the game in terms of making it fun for the fans. I do think it takes more than a winning record though, because certain teams (like New Jersey) have had consistently strong teams and still fail to sell out their stadium on a regular basis or gain a large fan base because the hockey they play just isn't that entertaining.
Re: CANUCKS! and those other Hockey teams, I guess « Reply #800 on Jun 12, 2012, 11:27am »
I'm not saying any of this to further an argument. Just for some consideration.
I think like many sports the people who have spent some significant time either playing the sport itself or grew up in a household where they learned, watched, and loved the game from childhood that you see things from a different perspective. I know that this may sound snobby, but I feel Davers and I have a totally different appreciation for the game. Not saying one is necessarily better than the other.
Here's why I see the Kings play as being ferociously intense:
Comparing the Canucks to the Kings is a good jump off point. The Canucks were a definite systems team and very skilled at doing so. During the regular season their elevated skill sets allowed them to destroy most teams, but like it or not in a season that has 82 games and a whole hell of a lot of travel not every team "shows up" for every game or is at their top level of focus on a nightly basis. The Playoffs are different. The Canucks may have played a tight systems game, but they completely lacked in any intensity, which is why they lost.
Being able to play a mistake free game like the Kings did on most nights is the definition of hockey and intensity. It requires each and every player to bust their ass to a breaking point to be at the exact position they need to be every second of the game. This means you need to be reading the play at all times. You are constantly making split decisions as the game is fast and tempts you to move out of position, but you need to stay the course and rely on the fact that your team mate is going at the same intensity level as yourself and will get to their position. This looks simple but it is fucking hard to do. When it is not done with intensity then, yeah, you'll see guys needing to get back on a foot race or diving to keep a puck in or taking it end to end or whatever. However, if those "exciting" things are regularly occurring (a la Pittsburgh vs. Philly series) you are watching a team struggling to work together and who are working off of uncontrolled emotion, which for me ends up being sloppy hockey and looks like a bunch of "kids" playing the game.
I think it is so important (and impressive) to remember that these are all human beings and pretty much think the same way as most human beings think and act when thrown together in a group situation. You can almost compare it to where you work if you are in a group setting. It is hard to get everyone on the same page (obviously there is a "passion" advantage in most cases here) and to trust one another and to work as a solid unit every day. As someone whose played and been in hockey dressing rooms since I was kid I will tell you that the most intense an individual will ever play is when they are playing 100% for their teammates. It means they will do whatever they need to do to win. To me, that is what I saw in the Kings and I haven't seen a team play like that for that long of a stretch in a long time.
Re: CANUCKS! and those other Hockey teams, I guess « Reply #801 on Jun 12, 2012, 11:36am »
In before anyone starts talking about "where I work I don't get paid millions of dollars, blah blah blah..." That's not the point. Boo-hoo somewhere else.
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Re: CANUCKS! and those other Hockey teams, I guess « Reply #804 on Jun 12, 2012, 12:26pm »
I'll respect FD not wanting to continue this much more since we seem to pretty much agree to disagree, and I'm on my phone anyway and hate making long posts with the tiny keyboard.
The only thing(s) I'll add is that I totally agree that the Kings played an impressive playoffs, I just failed to see the entertainment in it. I've never played ice hockey in a league and I didn't watch every game the kings played ( and the ones I did watch I wasn't exactly giving my undivided attention).
There are lots of other teams that aren't the Canucks that I find more interesting to watch than the Kings, but ithat comes down to preference I guess. I'm also well aware that I will probably always find the Canucks more entertaining to watch than they actually are because I've been watching them since I was 5.
Did anybody else almost have a heart attack when Simon Gagne tripped and nearly dropped the cup? Most intense moment of the 2012 playoffs imo.
Willie first to hold the cup: respect. Gagne second to hold the cup: wut?
Back of the line!
Definitely should have gone to Quick after (or before) Mitchell. I did enjoy the former 2006 Oiler passing it to the other former 2006 Oiler, and the former Flyers doing the same.
Also had to chuckle when Quick lifted the Conn Smythe then quickly took it to the bench and like brushed off the accomplishment. I know it wasn't a disrespect thing, he was just stoked about getting the cup.
Is it just me or were a lot of them like struggling with the weight of the cup? It's 35 frickin' pounds. You can't lift that above your head for a minute when you're jacked on adrenaline?
Hockey, just like any spectator sport, is about entertainment.
False. Maybe in Vancouver it's all about entertainment, but for every other professional sport (minus 1/3 of the NBA), it's all about winning.
It doesn't matter how much your team wins, if they don't put asses in the seats they go broke and you don't have a team any more. Sure people like watching winners, but winning isn't everything (the important thing is everyone has fun!).
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