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« Reply #555 on Jan 9, 2013, 6:09pm » | |
hell hath no fury like the BBWAA...
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« Reply #556 on Jan 10, 2013, 12:03am » | |
Jan 9, 2013, 4:23pm, chud wrote:| Today we were given a very clear message about what the Hall of Fame selection committee thinks about players linked to PEDs. Under 40% of the vote for both Bonds and Clemens. You've got to be kidding me, right? |
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I wish every idiot who voted against Clemens and Bonds would look me right in the eye and say, "No one who uses steroids will ever make it to the Hall." I guarantee they've already let at least one slip through the five hole, if not several.
Point is, the best of the best are the only ones being punished when nearly everyone was guilty. The mediocre get a free pass. It's the same thing with Lance Armstrong.
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« Reply #557 on Jan 10, 2013, 1:34am » | |
"My vote should reflect history, and should reflect the era...a sport absolutely saturated with drug use, and these were the best players of the era, and that's why I voted for them."
-Buster Olney
I know Stamper has voiced an agreement with me in the past about how everyone's doing steroids. After knowing what you know, the skinny lead off hitters, fat workhorse starters, and utility infielders are among the people regularly getting caught for steroids, do you now reverse your opinion knowing Glavine and Maddux are eligible for the hall next year?
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« Reply #558 on Jan 10, 2013, 11:04am » | |
I think what we agreed on was that the BBWAA is a complete joke.
I'm not sure I ever said that everybody was doing steroids. Call me idealistic, but I'm fairly confident at least 1/5 players weren't juicing.
My position is this (I said this several pages ago) The BBWW has a responsibility to nominate the best very players from each era into the Hall. And while Bonds, Clemens and McGwire all chose to do steroids, they were also three of the best players from their era -and would still have been, even without the steroids. They shouldn't be punished because they were caught and players like Kirby Puckett, Cal Ripken and Roberto Alomar weren't.
Now then, referring to Glavine and Maddux - Unless something comes out on both of them over the next 11 months (tying them to steroids) I'm 100% confident both of those players will be elected to Hall of Fame - and deservedly so.
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« Reply #559 on Jan 10, 2013, 12:22pm » | |
...for what it's worth, I don't believe Maddux did steroids.
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« Reply #560 on Jan 10, 2013, 10:59pm » | |
Just read that Justin Upton rejected a trade to the M's. It is reported that the trade included Nick Franklin, Charlie Furbush, Stephen Pryor and one of our big three (Walker, Hultzen, Paxton).
This is only from mlbtraderumors.com but:
"the bulk of the risk would've fallen on Mariners GM Jack Zduriencik. As a source opines to FOX Sports' Ken Rosenthal (Twitter link), Upton may have "saved Jack Z's job" by rejecting the trade and keeping so much top-flight young talent in Seattle."
I tend to agree with that with this specific move
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« Reply #561 on Jan 11, 2013, 12:53am » | |
Jan 10, 2013, 11:04am, stamper wrote:I think what we agreed on was that the BBWAA is a complete joke.
I'm not sure I ever said that everybody was doing steroids. Call me idealistic, but I'm fairly confident at least 1/5 players weren't juicing.
My position is this (I said this several pages ago) The BBWW has a responsibility to nominate the best very players from each era into the Hall. And while Bonds, Clemens and McGwire all chose to do steroids, they were also three of the best players from their era -and would still have been, even without the steroids. They shouldn't be punished because they were caught and players like Kirby Puckett, Cal Ripken and Roberto Alomar weren't.
Now then, referring to Glavine and Maddux - Unless something comes out on both of them over the next 11 months (tying them to steroids) I'm 100% confident both of those players will be elected to Hall of Fame - and deservedly so. |
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But players who have admitting to steroids have admitted to doing them to recover from injury. Pitchers throwing 100+ pitches per night are injuring their arm, so using steroids will make them stronger their next start. It's not speculation, it's science. Maddux and Glavine were around long enough to win 300 games, so it makes sense they used steroids to keep their arm youthful while pitching through the steroid era of the early 90s and beyond.
Speaking of which, do you remember when basically every player on the Texas Rangers was suspected of steroids in the early 90s, because Jose Canseco played for that team, and outed half of his teammates? Guess who also played for the Rangers in the early 90s. I'll give you a hint, he was a power pitcher in his mid 40s who was a first ballot Hall of Famer.
Jan 10, 2013, 10:59pm, badchoices wrote:Just read that Justin Upton rejected a trade to the M's. It is reported that the trade included Nick Franklin, Charlie Furbush, Stephen Pryor and one of our big three (Walker, Hultzen, Paxton).
This is only from mlbtraderumors.com but:
"the bulk of the risk would've fallen on Mariners GM Jack Zduriencik. As a source opines to FOX Sports' Ken Rosenthal (Twitter link), Upton may have "saved Jack Z's job" by rejecting the trade and keeping so much top-flight young talent in Seattle."
I tend to agree with that with this specific move |
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I actually feel bad for Mariner fans, because I'm a huge Justin Upton fan. They've expressed all along it is time to compete, and stop building for the future, so what a slap in the face one of the best young power hitters in the game said, "nah, I don't want to play in Seattle." One can hardly blame him with that fairweather city.
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« Reply #562 on Jan 11, 2013, 9:09am » | |
Fairweather city or not, I am definitely not a fairweather fan. Hardcore M's fan here and I watch most of the games every year (even if some of them are fast forward on DVR experiences).
I don't know what my opinion is on Upton but it is a zing to get no-trade blocked as a fan. Oh well, maybe Stanton will make me feel better....
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« Reply #563 on Jan 16, 2013, 7:25pm » | |
Fuck Mariners. Why this? We aquired Mike Morse today in a 3 team trade. Oh, yeah and we sent Jaso to the A's. Is Montero catching 162 games this year? Our most clutch hitter from last year gone.
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« Reply #564 on Jan 16, 2013, 8:46pm » | |
This was an incredible move for the A's assuming Jaso puts up comprable numbers to last year: 3.3WAR, .850 OPS WITH 10 bombs and 50 RBIs playing a ton of games in Safeco.
Catcher was teams biggest hole last season. I, like most men, enjoy filling holes. We sent A.J. cole (ton of upside...TON!!!) back to the Nats. He's at least 2 if not 3-4 years away from making an impact at the major league level.
Back to bac AL West titles here we come!!! FTW!!!
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« Reply #565 on Jan 17, 2013, 2:11am » | |
Dec 19, 2012, 9:35pm, wonk wrote:| Gotta feel bad for Jaso. I'll enjoy seeing his ass on the bench when they play the A's. |
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Funny I made this comment about Seattle's best hitter when the Mariners traded for Morales. Now the after thought Jaso who has an .850 OPS is the A's new catcher.
Great move for Oakland. Cole is a potential ace, but I'm done building for the future. As I've mentioned several times in my man-crush Stanton rants, it's time for the A's to defend their title, and stop stock piling prospects.
I can't believe the Mariners gave up their best hitter for Michael Morse. Jaso can't hit lefties at all, but his OPS vs. righties last year was .927, and he'll get the bulk of the platoon at bats. Morse isn't even a pull hitter, so moving the left field fences in at Safeco shouldn't improve his power numbers too much. I'm glad my favorite team plays in the same division as the Mariners.
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« Reply #566 on Jan 17, 2013, 2:28am » | |
Just noticed I forgot a 'k' in one of the backs in "back to back" in my previous post. We'll just say that it was saved for Mr. Morse's first at Bat againts the A's. Strike three you're out. As are the Mariners, as far as AL West contention is concerned.
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« Reply #567 on Jan 17, 2013, 2:34am » | |
As if the subtraction of Jaso and the addition of Morse changes the contention possibilities for the Mariners. We are going to the World Series every offseason in my mind.....ha!
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« Reply #568 on Jan 17, 2013, 2:48am » | |
You can't just rebuild for six years. You'll lose your job. Only the A's and Rays can get away with that. We're seeing it now, with the Blue Jays, Mariners, and Royals making terrible franchise decisions. "I want to save my job."
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« Reply #569 on Jan 17, 2013, 11:59am » | |
Jan 17, 2013, 2:48am, wonk wrote:| You can't just rebuild for six years. You'll lose your job. Only the A's and Rays can get away with that. We're seeing it now, with the Blue Jays, Mariners, and Royals making terrible franchise decisions. "I want to save my job." |
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Yeah it shows in the attendance. Safeco Field is empty most games. Unless there is a team that draws fans to outnumber us.
Sadly this is still better than the Bavasi Era. You are right though. Rebuilding and rebuilding and rebuilding really takes it out of the fan base. Results need to be seen NOW but our division is the best in the league and we are far behind.
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