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Re: Edward Sharpe and the magnetic zeros!
« Reply #15 on Oct 7, 2010, 1:14pm »

Oct 7, 2010, 10:09am, XhornedXgrammaX wrote:

How can I generalize so extensively? Because I had to explain to every whippersnapper here who The Residents are. That's not a matter of taste, kids, that is a hole in your education six miles wide and six miles deep.

If one was going to fill in that hole where in the Residents discography should they start?

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Re: Edward Sharpe and the magnetic zeros!
« Reply #16 on Oct 7, 2010, 2:20pm »

I'm just going to keep believing that all of these people who love edward sharpe are high. I know I was really high one time when I saw the polyphonic spree and it was damn near a religious experience. Their music is still pretty bad though

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Re: Edward Sharpe and the magnetic zeros!
« Reply #17 on Oct 7, 2010, 4:01pm »

Oct 7, 2010, 1:14pm, mrmoon1 wrote:

If one was going to fill in that hole where in the Residents discography should they start?

I'd probably say Duck Stab (1978). That collection of songs - although insanely weird - constitutes The Residents' take on pop music and contains their most straightforward, conventionally structured material.

From there look into some of their late 90's/early 00's stuff. 'Wormwood: A Collection of Curious Stories From the Bible' (1998) is traditionally a favorite among new fans, or 'Demons Dance Alone' (2002) -- a beautiful and sad record, written in the two weeks or so after 9/11, and which presents the grieving process in the form of a song cycle (although little to no personal information regarding members of the Residents is known, the 'official rumor' is that one of them had family on the plane that was headed for the Pentagon).

I also strongly recommend going to YouTube to check out some of their videos, or videos of their performances. The Residents are as much a visual art project as a musical one.

I'll just tell you that they are absolutely an acquired taste, that at first they can be incredibly jarring. But there's nobody like them, and if you approach one of their albums like you would a complex novel or a challenging film it can be unbelievably rewarding.

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Re: Edward Sharpe and the magnetic zeros!
« Reply #18 on Oct 7, 2010, 4:04pm »

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The Residents is an American avant-garde music and visual arts group who have been active since 1969. Their first official release under the name of "The Residents" was in 1972, and since then the band has gone on to release over sixty albums, numerous music videos and short films, three CD-ROM projects, ten DVDs, and have undertaken seven major world tours. Throughout the group's existence, the individual members have ostensibly attempted to conceal their identities from the public, and much public speculation and rumor has focused on this aspect of the group. In public, the group appears silent and costumed, often wearing eyeball helmets, top hats and tuxedos - a long-lasting costume now recognized as their signature iconography. Their albums are often complex conceptual pieces, composed around a theme, theory or plot, and are noted for surrealistic lyrics and disregard for standard Western pop music composition.

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Re: Edward Sharpe and the magnetic zeros!
« Reply #19 on Oct 7, 2010, 8:12pm »

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Oct 7, 2010, 12:31am, know ID yuh wrote:

Something like that. Wait, you are comparing my musical taste to that of a youngster?

What I'm saying is that younger people tend to enjoy some pretty terrible music because, generally, they are still defining their tastes and, generally, they haven't exposed themselves to the TRULY great work that it is ripping off.

My criteria for 'terrible' is something that is unimaginatively derivative. Edward Sharpe et al. are bringing NOTHING new to the table, it's all recycled Polyphonic Spree dogma with the faux rugged Americana that Dr. Dog lifted from Skynyrd and, yes, the lyrical and structural style of Jethro Tull (its in there, far less pronounced than Midlake, but it is in there).

Know, you're right in between - clearly you've been listening to music for a long time. You acknowledge that the ES&tMZ record is middling at best. But by your admission you were vacuum sealed in a cabin far from live performance your whole life - how does that shitty music suddenly turn magical (but, as you said, only in a small venue and not out in the open air of Sasquatch)?

It's the NOVELTY of responding to something that you (the generic 'You' who represents the generic 'kids in their early twenties') are feeling so strongly. I'm happy to report, from the future, that the Novelty Kick never goes away, just becomes less frequent and more sweet.

How can I generalize so extensively? Because I had to explain to every whippersnapper here who The Residents are. That's not a matter of taste, kids, that is a hole in your education six miles wide and six miles deep.

I agree with a lot of what you say, however, the refinement of my musical taste didn't suffer that much because I wasn't around the live scene growing up. Seeing 500 shows in five years isn't much different than seeing ten shows a year for 50 years. It's still 500 shows. If anything, seeing those 500 shows later in life is more dignified than saying "Oingo Boingo is amazing live, by the way I was 12 when I saw them and it was my first show."

I know what I like, but my tolerance for shitty music is higher than your curmudgeon stance. There's a reason those who wear tight jeans, big belt buckles, and stupid hats do that thing they call line dancing while listening to terrible music. Because it's much more fun than standing around.

Edward Sharpe is literally a joke. A guy and a gall with decent voices decided to create a band, dress like hippies, and emulate the free love sound of the sixties, with an emphasis on creating a live experience inspiring more than just the hippie flail. They created their songs relying on chants to pump your fist to, shout-out-loudable choruses, and clapping. There is a trumpet in the band, of course, because everyone fucking loves horns live. They are all characters in an experiment to see if this formula will actually work. Then they accidentally stumbled into a couple catchy songs, commercial (literally) success, and their experiment took off. Just like line dancing, they are not going away anytime soon.

In other words, you like drinking scotch and high end tequila. I enjoy those as well. But I still like to drink shots of Jager with Redbull, shotgun a couple PBRs, and freak out.

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Re: Edward Sharpe and the magnetic zeros!
« Reply #20 on Oct 7, 2010, 9:16pm »

elitist music listeners are immeasurably laughable.

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Re: Edward Sharpe and the magnetic zeros!
« Reply #21 on Oct 7, 2010, 10:33pm »

Oct 7, 2010, 9:16pm, Pea wrote:

elitist music listeners are immeasurably laughable.

You're welcome to state your opinion as emphatically as you like. This is something I spend a lot of time thinking about, and it is something I like to discuss.

That's not elitist. That's point/counterpoint, unless it's you we're dealing with - then it's point/dismissive comment. Thanks for growing the conversation doucheslide.

Know, thanks for engaging in the conversation like a grown-up, I'll compose my thoughts and respond when I don't have a weed brownie rattling around in my belly.

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Re: Edward Sharpe and the magnetic zeros!
« Reply #22 on Oct 8, 2010, 10:05am »

So, Dr. Know, it's weird to me that I have to even type the words 'quantity vs quality' in this situation, but this isn't the first time you've mentioned your five hundred shows. Um, great job? That's a lot? Wanna know how many shows I'VE been too? Too bad because I lost count, a hundred years ago, because it doesn't matter.

Tell me what is 'dignified' about going to every scheduled gig you can cram into your calendar, when you're going to see a bunch of shitty flash-in-the-pan bands like Edward Sharpe and the Magnetic Zeroes (who, if not completely forgotten, will be remembered as an embarrassing example of the style of this decade's music, a Counting Crows or an Our Lady Peace of the `10's)?

I saw Oingo Boingo when I was twelve, and then they broke up when I was thirteen. I don't care if that's undignified - I saw Boingo, you never will. My second show was Jethro Tull. My third show was The Cure. My fourth show was They Might Be Giants - early 90's TMBG, when they were kings. I saw the Decemberists play to an empty movie theater. I saw Daniel Johnston play in a leaky shack lit by Christmas lights. I saw of Montreal in that same shack, wearing people clothes no less.

Proceed in this fashion, a show every other week maybe, for nearly twenty years. I made plenty of time to see shitty bands in the meantime - Lord, how many times did I end up watching Seven Mary Three perform. But then the most amazing thing happened! I STOPPED PAYING $24.98 TO SEE TERRIBLE PERFORMERS PLAY SHITTY MUSIC! I maintained my concert going schedule, but I only go see bands that don't suck monkey balls! In other words, I grew out of it. The novelty of being at a show wore off, and I decided I didn't have time for half-assed songwriting, half-assed performance, or dreadful fake hippies.

Edward Sharpe is bad. Terrible, terrible. But that's not the argument we're having. You say that being sequestered from live music for your entire young life hasn't caused the refinement of your taste to suffer, but then you go on in great length essentially illustrating that it HAS. Capping it off with your telling alcohol analogy. Let me let you in on a secret, before the day comes that you get engaged and have to try to impress your future in-laws: Jager and Red Bull is not an indicator of refined taste.

Oct 7, 2010, 8:12pm, know ID yuh wrote:

They created their songs relying on chants to pump your fist to, shout-out-loudable choruses, and clapping. There is a trumpet in the band, of course, because everyone fucking loves horns live. They are all characters in an experiment to see if this formula will actually work. Then they accidentally stumbled into a couple catchy songs, commercial (literally) success, and their experiment took off. Just like line dancing, they are not going away anytime soon.

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Re: Edward Sharpe and the magnetic zeros!
« Reply #23 on Oct 9, 2010, 1:14pm »

Oct 8, 2010, 10:05am, XhornedXgrammaX wrote:

Someone with zero knowledge of you and I can tell by reading this thread that you grew up watching live shows, and I didn't. The, "I saw this and this and this, and you never will," is proving a point that is not being disputed. Put your stick away man, that horse is dead.

I have not been to 500 shows, I never said I did. It was a made up number to show that 500 is 500, regardless of if you are multiplying 5 x 100 or 10 x 50. I don't know how many shows I've been to, but it's less than 500. I've kept the stubs for most shows, and have thought about counting them before, but not being a douchebag always seems to win.

My point earlier was that I don't need live music to refine my taste. I could live in Nebraska, spend 16 hours a day staring at the wall listening to music, never see a live show, and have more refined taste than I do now. I'm not sure how I went through great lengths to dispute this point, as you say. The refinition (yes, I made that up) of my musical taste is not about perfection, it's about comprehension.

It's like I'm arguing the merits of the movie Naked Gun with a film critic who replies, "that movie is awful, terrible acting, terrible plot, plus it's a rip-off of Airplane." So? I like it, and I like Airplane. It makes me laugh. Sometimes I don't feel like thinking. To quote Sheryl Crow, "If it makes you happy....."

So go sit in your cozy chair in a dark room, smoke your tweed, listen to Deerhunter, and think about how much your father-in-law likes you. I'll be out taking shots of Red Bull and Yager, pumping my fist to the Zeros, and working on meeting my future father-in-law's lucky daughter.

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Re: Edward Sharpe and the magnetic zeros!
« Reply #24 on Oct 9, 2010, 6:27pm »

woah, I can't believe how heated this thread is getting... and all over edward sharpe? haha. I guess I can agree, its just another extremely commercial type of sound we've all heard before a million times. They are bearable at best. All these personal attacks are really cracking me up

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Re: Edward Sharpe and the magnetic zeros!
« Reply #25 on Oct 10, 2010, 1:02pm »

I acknowledge that in this instance, I abandoned objective reasoning for cultural chest-thumping. I get carried away sometimes. Asperger's.

Know, I like and respect you. Peatrick, you're still a choad. Sorry bro.

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